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and good evening from Philadelphia Frank

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here here we are again with another

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edition of UFO news network Sunday

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tonight's on a Tuesday night you never

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know where you're going to catch us but

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here we are on a Tuesday night we've got

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a great guest for us to talk about all

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sorts of things going on in the UFO

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world out west and in the legal field

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and in UFO documents field a little bit

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of everything from our guest tonight but

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let me bring in chant Hannah chance I

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got a little bit of news for us and then

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she's gonna bring on our special guests

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so go ahead Jan take it away hi Frank

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thank you so much we have a very special

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show tonight and also an incredible

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guest but first I'd like to go ahead and

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read a statement from Chase klutz key

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who wanted to let everybody know the

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latest regarding what she's doing

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recently she stepped down from MUFON and

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she said let's let's be clear here she

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resigned as the head of Investigations

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or I forget whatever the actual title

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was but go ahead and fill us all in on

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that sure yeah no problem what she

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published was breaking news she she she

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got a little dramatical but she said oh

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the drama oh the mayhem chase cut ski

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quits move on fake news I resigned my

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position of do i I remained fully and

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MUFON reasons I resigned one a momentum

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and DC is putting the beltway group into

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full gear a lobbying and the interaction

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opportunities with lawmakers have never

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been better to a scheduled trip for two

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weeks to the Amazon in Peru as I work

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with the expedition team I have been

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with for three years three I am

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associate producer for a documentary

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for media work as I have two confirmed

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projects that require travel and a lot

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of it

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five speaking engagements and a boot

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camp

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the state directors and field

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investigators and MUFON deserves someone

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that can give them a hundred percent

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attention and support do I was my dream

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position and I loved it

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however the other interests and work in

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DC I've also found myself enjoying a lot

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is a bigger priority for me at this time

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there was no back door with Jan she

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means Jan Tarzan the international

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director the executive director of the

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upon there was not an ugly exit in fact

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Jan his wife Pete and I just returned

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from an awesome speaking mufon cruise

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this past weekend that was epic those

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that know me best no I do not give

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trolls haters jerry springer media types

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that host gossip shows liars and

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bloodsuckers one freaking minute of my

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time i couldn't fit them in my schedule

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if i tried and of quote i'd like to go

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ahead and move along to our fantastic

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guests we have tonight and that is

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michael w ha he is a former Thurston

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County Superior Court and Edmonds

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Municipal Court Judge Pro Tem vice

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president of Puget Sound Christian

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College and founding partner the hall

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law firm PS he received his BA from the

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Edward arm rural college of

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communications at Washington State

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University in 76 in broadcast journalism

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a doctorate in jurisprudence in just two

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years from Southwestern Law School in 87

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in LA Michael has taught legal seminars

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in conflict management for the blushing

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Tain's date bar and bullying management

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associations and currently maintains a

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general legal and estate planning

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practice in Edmonds Washington where he

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also finds time to serve as pro bono

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legal counsel for various local and

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national nonprofit organizations with

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over 30 years of legal experience as an

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estate planning attorney Paul has

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conceived and created a discreet and

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effective estate planning tool known as

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the disclosure trust

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which provides highly placed government

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whistleblowers corporate insiders and

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enlightened citizens with the private

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confidential vehicle to preserve

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disclose and disseminate their knowledge

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of certain valuable information proof

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and documentation either during their

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lifetime or upon their death having a

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lifelong interest in UFOs you ApS and

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the paranormal being an experience or

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himself Hall has been a field

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investigator for the aerial phenomena

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research organization a pro legal

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consultant for the national UFO

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Reporting Center that acronym by the way

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is nu fo RC the national aviation

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Reporting Center on anomalous phenomena

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NAR cap and the mutual UFO network close

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bonds as well as being the attorney of

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record for such noted u apologist as

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grant Cameron Peter Davenport dr.

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Richard Haines and dr. James harder

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welcome Michael to our show thank you

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for being on tonight well Channing

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Frank thank you so much you did a great

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job reading all of that holy man by the

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way I just want to mention I had the

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privilege of being able to watch you

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live yesterday can you tell us a little

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bit about that it was so much fun

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listening to you oh that was that was

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fun for you to join us there virtually

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you know live from Denny's where America

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eats we caught the UFO i-team has our

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weekly meeting on Monday evenings so

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anywhere you are in the world if you can

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figure out what 6:00 to 8:00 p.m.

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Pacific Standard Time is you can go on

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Facebook and join our meetings it's kind

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of fun we have literally people from all

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over the world that kind of like

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harasses online you know we can we

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communicate with each other with all

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sorts of interesting you know sighting

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reports that are happening around the

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world and and of course we we we are

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subtitle to the show is watch us eat

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because we do you know Michael you go

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back decades in the domain of UF ology

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you have connected with some really

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notable people and I noticed you're

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talking about Arizona last time we we

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were on a show with you and the famous

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people that you were connected with in

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the state of Arizona there and then also

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just in general can you mention a few

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names that you have been involved with

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well sure you know even before I became

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a lawyer which was actually later in

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life I didn't go to law school till I

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was 32 had a career in LA trying to be

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famous like everybody else but even

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before I did all that I was always

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interested in UFOs I think I initially

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got started

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in this whole area you know big time

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with befriending Peter Davenport back

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and that was probably 1995 that was when

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the MUFON convention actually was held

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here in Seattle and Peter was one of the

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keynote speakers and MCS for the entire

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event so ever since that period of time

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I got to know him very well help him

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with his you know certain legal aspects

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of setting up the corporation new Fork

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national UFO Reporting Center and kind

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of helping him with some legal things

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that come along periodically and at one

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point I actually got to know and

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represent for some very interesting kind

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of like land purchases dr. James harder

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who was you know one of the main

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pioneers of the study of UFOs

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he was the Berkeley professor who got

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into hypnosis and in and was one of the

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a pro Aero phenomena research

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organization board members who helped

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coral and Jim Lorenson bad days from

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Arizona you know do their great work in

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the whole area of investigations

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so from him - oh gosh dr. Richard Haines

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who heads the used - he's retired now

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had the pilot reporting agency were all

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the commercial military

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private pilots would report UFOs and

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which what they call course you ApS in

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the airline and aviation industry

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because they didn't want to report them

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to any kind of a normal reporting agency

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or even report them to the tower in many

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cases because they've been well whose

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their their licenses and their jobs so

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dr. Haynes is a real good friend of mine

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as well and of course Peter you know

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grant Cameron is like you know I just

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can't keep up with that guy and trying

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to you know help him the things that

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he's getting into where he can get into

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that a little bit later I'm sure yeah

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you know I wanted to also mention I know

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you already mentioned them but I really

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want to make a point of mentioning and

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giving credit to coral and James

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they are so notable in the field of

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ufology can you share a little bit about

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them they I know they founded a pro in

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52 and you have some history with them

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well it isn't that kind of weird that

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when you put the perspective together I

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was born in the year 1952 when Jim and

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coral Lorenson who put this whole thing

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together about you know you know of

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course but back in the the 50s there

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that was the major contactee era you

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know George Van Tassel you know and some

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of these guys were actually claiming to

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run into aliens in the desert for

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instance out there in New Mexico and

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Arizona and having conventions at giant

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rock you know can California those kinds

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of things

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and they took up the mantle at that

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point and decided hey this has got to be

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a little bit of a scientific endeavor

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here and I really think they they

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brought everything up a notch Jim and

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coral and all the things that they did

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course they hired and well he didn't

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hire but they got people come along with

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them like dr. James harder you know

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university professors and things

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studying this whole phenomena trying to

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bring I think mainstream science into

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the field and they are literally

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pioneers of doing that yes they are and

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actually a lot of people don't realize

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just how important they are in the field

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of ufology can you talk a little bit

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more about James harder because I know

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he's very keen yeah

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gosh what an interesting guy you know

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let me give some perspective to some of

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the people who might not realize this

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but dr. harder was the guy who first

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came across the Travis Walton case and

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matter of fact you know you see the

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movie fire in the sky and you see some

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of these fly-by-night UFO organizations

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in the film coming and trying to take

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advantage of Travis in that film and

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kind of you know bolster their own

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organizations well dr. harder was really

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the person that got Travis's attention

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and he earned his confidence and

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actually back then a lot of people don't

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realize this but the he dr. harder put

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Travis into a posthypnotic state and

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actually did the first regression that

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Travis had ever done and of course he

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was only a kids in his 20s scared to

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death the whole issue of him being miss

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missing for five days when his you know

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six buddy song zapped by a UFO in the

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city's National Forest so dr. harder was

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one of those reputable people that had

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enough guts actually in those days this

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Travis was in the 70s but dr. harder was

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working in the 60s and even the 50s of

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trying to bring some scientific

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perspective to this whole unique

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phenomena and again one of the pioneers

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of trying to bring science into this

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field yeah and also he took over the

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Betty and Barney Hill abduction

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investigation which I know Stanton

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Friedman broke and he covered

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extensively and he also was involved in

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the 1973

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ask a ghoul abduction regarding covering

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that it's important people understand

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his background he was best known as a

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prominent UFO researcher who studied the

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subject for over 50 years and he's also

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director of research as you may have

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mentioned for a pro from 69 to 82 and

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that opera was actually one of the first

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civilian organizations to study the UFO

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phenomenon question I had for you

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Michael is you know we have moved on we

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had a pro there's Q folks there's all

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kinds of UFO related or artists back in

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the day yes thank you and actually Peter

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Davenport's important organization I

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wanted to go over this with you how

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important are they to the topic of UFO

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G&Y well you know those are the kinds of

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organizations that put in the foot work

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you know I really do the investigations

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follow up on the sighting reports and

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correlate the information those are the

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kinds of things that everyone would love

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to have time to do on their own of

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course anybody that's interested in this

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field interested in the topic of

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paranormal and all that stuff you know

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we only have so much time in our lives

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when we're you know working 9:00 to 5:00

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40 hours or more week and raising a

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family and all that kind of stuff so it

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really is something to think about back

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to those folks who themselves have had

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their own jobs and had their own careers

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that they had to work on as well at the

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same time but they made time to actually

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do the studying and gather the

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information so you know we have some

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broad shoulders to stand on in this

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entire field because of a lot of hard

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work on behalf of some of those pioneers

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there's some whistleblowing that these

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organizations have to deal with so to

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speak they are confronted with sometimes

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happily sometimes not regarding

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wrongdoing or or any other any manner of

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things

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regarding the topic of ufology or other

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phenomena perhaps even government

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related information may be classified

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Declassified or not classified at all

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what I was going to ask you is how much

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protection does a whistleblower have

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when they contact one of these

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organizations regarding information

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that's extremely sensitive yeah you know

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the only real protection that most

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whistleblowers have is this anonymity

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that most organizations would offer them

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if they want to come forth with some

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information of course nowadays with all

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the capability of electronic

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surveillance and otherwise it's very

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hard to stay anonymous you know these

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days if you're sending an email if

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you're doing any kind of communication

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your signature is going out there as

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well so that's one of the reasons I came

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up with the idea in my legal career to

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try to combine both of my passions you

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know the law in becoming being a lawyer

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and then also the paranormal as well

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coming up with this idea of disclosure

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trust well people can actually put their

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their secrets their their proof for

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instance documents and artifacts or

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whatever into an entity that's an actual

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trust that they appoint a trustee for by

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the way successor trustee that would do

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whatever they wanted to have done with

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this information on into two ways either

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upon their death they want to

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distributed or during their lifetime

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they would like it to be trickled out

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over a period of time those kinds of

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things so have you gotten a big response

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with that kind of thing there Michael oh

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you know what I am starting to okay it's

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an interesting idea yeah I mean that's

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it's the idea that only maybe a couple

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years ago I came up with the idea and

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sent it around some samples I mean it's

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a trust booklet it's a it's a it's a

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inter vivos grantor Trust is what the

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IRS calls it an entity in itself that

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actually uses your own social security

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number so you don't have to get a

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separate tax

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dnumber for the thing you are the

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creator the trust or the trustee and the

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managing partner or the trustee of the

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of the document at any time that you

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want to be and then when you want to

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step back and have someone else take

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over you've got a successor trustee

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that's named in there that follows your

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directions on what to do with the

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information that's in the trust only the

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stuff that you put into this trust is

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affected by this trust and how useful

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would that have been to Edward Snowden

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or Julian Assange or [\h__\h] or Frank

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Serpico for instance I know that's all

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over the board regarding the criminal

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chronology of it but still really how

402
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useful is that to people like like those

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folks

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yeah very good and by the way there is

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an actual way to become to set up one of

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these things anonymously as well so you

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create a third entity this trust and

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only your attorney who has the

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attorney-client privilege by the way

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just like any kind of reporter source or

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a priest pennant you know a relationship

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you cannot reveal who your client is and

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you can still disclose other things

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without having to disclose who the heck

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you are so basically is a scenario

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Michael well let's say that I was in the

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military what say I was an Air Force

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pilot as an example and I had this

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incredible sighting but you know what I

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was a lifer I've got a pension I don't

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really want to mess with it I would be

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like a good but I want to get this out

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that maybe after I die this would this

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would be the kind of thing for me yeah

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this this would be a good option for

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somebody in that kind of a situation

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that would be it would be something that

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you know and here's the story that I

429
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hear Frank it's the whole deal where

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someone is on their deathbed right good

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old uncle Charlie the guy's like 90

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years old right and we've had all these

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stories of Uncle Charlie all of his life

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being some blackops person you know a

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deep state kind of guy never really told

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us what he can ever even tell his wife

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what he did for a living that kind of

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stuff and of course then at that point

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you know it's what 50 40 years after

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some major events that happen and he

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calls over his like you know son or

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maybe even his grandson you know those

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kinds of things and tried to break some

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news just before he's passed on in a

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very you know low shaky voice kind of a

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thing but here's the deal who knows

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whether your son or your grandkids or

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whoever that you want to entrust with

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this information has the gumption or the

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interest even to disclose this stuff or

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to even deal with it so that's what I

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hear and it's kind of good that people

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could actually set one of these

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documents these trust documents up

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during their lifetime

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totally revocable totally amendable

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during the the time of your life and you

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can fund it with their with whatever

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information or documentation you like

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and you call the shots on what its gonna

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when it's going to be released and those

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kinds of things and again as I mentioned

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even if you want it to release it now

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during your lifetime and you don't want

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to hold on to any longer you create this

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thing anonymously and you've got the

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attorney-client privilege with the

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attorney creating the document and to

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success or trustee that you name that

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might you might not have any

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relationship with just someone who you

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are well let's just say they maybe they

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named someone and move on yeah they

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could name grant camera or somebody like

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that exactly Michael I had another

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question wanted to bring up and that is

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you know the price of being a

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whistleblower if your media outlet can

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we keep an example there were papers

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released by Daniel Ellsberg who leaked

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some information that was classified

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this was brought to the attention of the

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public by the New York Times they

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covered it and Frank you'll have to

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chime in on this but I'm pretty sure New

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York Times as The Times and then later

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the post the Pentagon Papers were

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talking about yes a very famous case and

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the ultimately the Supreme Court

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ultimately had affirmed that the papers

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did have the right to publish what was

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in fact

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classified material and do you think

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folks would be able to get away with the

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same kind of thing today it was a

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different time back in the 70s and maybe

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they wouldn't get the same kind of

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decision from a higher court in in this

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day and age why don't you give us some

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thoughts on that type of thing because

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you never know some classified stuff

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might in fact leak out regarding our

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favorite subject of course but you know

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if you're not going to get a leak

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anymore anymore nowadays from the New

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York Times or The Post or portico or you

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know any of the mainstream media you're

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only gonna get things that they want you

509
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to hear as far as those things being

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leaked well why do you think that is

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Michael well because you know it's a

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controlled media let's just put it that

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way I mean in the old days there were

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probably some media tycoons you know

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around that would really kind of buck

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the system and they really did but of

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course a lot of those have been bought

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up and you know put together and coming

519
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conglomerate eyes and now there's a lot

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more control but but here on the other's

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hand

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you've got to realize we have much more

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ability to get the word out through

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alternative media the internet even

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though all those things are controlled

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as well but it you know what if I was a

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deep state operative right now a minion

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of whoever's in control I would be

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really nervous I mean there's just too

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many things going on out here and too

531
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many people getting to that point where

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they realized that well something's got

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to give we've got to get this stuff out

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to the public and as we all know I don't

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know if we all can feel this I'm sure

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that there there has been some kind of a

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green lining of the disclosure process

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just recently my gosh things are

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happening so fast

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and so it is kind of a strange thing

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that we probably have more control our

542
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media is more control nowadays but there

543
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has been a concerted effort to red pill

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the public on what's going on as far as

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UFOs and aliens and all sorts of

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00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:24,459
paranormal activity going back to a move

547
00:25:28,170 --> 00:25:25,690
on really quick

548
00:25:30,570 --> 00:25:28,180
obviously chant read through the

549
00:25:32,550 --> 00:25:30,580
resignation letter from face clusky

550
00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:32,560
regarding her position as director of

551
00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:33,640
investigations

552
00:25:39,030 --> 00:25:35,830
you bet you've done some work with MUFON

553
00:25:43,650 --> 00:25:39,040
and she also mentioned your work with

554
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:43,660
conflict resolution can you can do well

555
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:45,490
let me put it to you this way you're

556
00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:48,640
looking at MUFON now from the outside if

557
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:50,350
you had some advice for the folks who

558
00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:51,970
run that organization now what would you

559
00:25:57,330 --> 00:25:55,510
tell them well you know what it's uh I

560
00:26:01,770 --> 00:25:57,340
don't envy him that's for sure just a

561
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:01,780
job you know what they are they are

562
00:26:07,230 --> 00:26:03,970
serving a purpose let's put it that way

563
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:07,240
and they're serving a purpose both on

564
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:09,490
the public end and on the deep state end

565
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:11,530
let's put it that way I mean obviously

566
00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:14,770
you've got an organization that can get

567
00:26:19,530 --> 00:26:16,840
to the grassroots level on what is

568
00:26:22,110 --> 00:26:19,540
really going on out there as far as

569
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,120
experiences are concerned and guess what

570
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:24,640
the deep state called this phenomenology

571
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:27,490
and that exactly what they're trying to

572
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:30,010
study is the experiencers because they

573
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:32,890
are a lot of them he'll be a wool pulled

574
00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:34,330
over their eyes and they're trying to

575
00:26:38,550 --> 00:26:36,700
figure out what's going on the best way

576
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:38,560
to do that is get to the people who are

577
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:41,110
actually experiencing and witnessing

578
00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:44,890
these phenomena and so that's what MUFON

579
00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:47,260
is is the best at doing you know they're

580
00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:49,150
getting a lot of support you know from

581
00:26:55,170 --> 00:26:52,540
the powers that be and of course as we

582
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:55,180
know as we go through this whole process

583
00:27:02,610 --> 00:26:58,480
as a major large organization having to

584
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:02,620
do deal with many many hundreds of fuel

585
00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:04,930
investigators and you know state

586
00:27:09,390 --> 00:27:07,870
directors across the entire country any

587
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:09,400
organization is going to have some bumps

588
00:27:14,010 --> 00:27:12,880
in the road but they I think realize now

589
00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:14,020
that they're going to have to be a

590
00:27:18,390 --> 00:27:16,150
little bit more transparent on this

591
00:27:21,150 --> 00:27:18,400
whole process otherwise they're gonna

592
00:27:21,930 --> 00:27:21,160
lose that you see the the the

593
00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:21,940
powers-that-be

594
00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:25,150
have a pretty pretty good goose with

595
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:27,340
that lays the golden egg there and MUFON

596
00:27:32,910 --> 00:27:30,970
they can't let that thing sour and they

597
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:32,920
need to have that ongoing information

598
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:36,490
because we are all including them trying

599
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:39,299
to figure out what the reality is

600
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:43,190
this whole whole effort of UFOs and in

601
00:27:48,220 --> 00:27:46,529
paranormal and his grand cameras as I he

602
00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:48,230
thinks everything is connected somehow

603
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:50,940
now are going back a ways

604
00:27:55,989 --> 00:27:53,580
organizations like a pro like MUFON and

605
00:27:59,149 --> 00:27:55,999
new fork as well Peter Davenport

606
00:28:00,979 --> 00:27:59,159
organization they are sort of been doing

607
00:28:03,109 --> 00:28:00,989
that for the last several decades now

608
00:28:05,419 --> 00:28:03,119
basically what blue book used to do

609
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:05,429
which is run down cases from the public

610
00:28:11,539 --> 00:28:08,730
eye I do believe when the Air Force has

611
00:28:14,659 --> 00:28:11,549
said we don't investigate UFOs anymore

612
00:28:16,639 --> 00:28:14,669
well obviously they in its entirety I

613
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:16,649
don't believe that but I don't believe

614
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:18,539
that they run down too many of the cases

615
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,450
that are generated from the public and

616
00:28:25,009 --> 00:28:23,279
that's what they've gotten out of and

617
00:28:26,749 --> 00:28:25,019
that sort of created an opportunity for

618
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,759
these organizations to kind of get in

619
00:28:31,659 --> 00:28:28,799
there and get that and not have to wait

620
00:28:34,639 --> 00:28:31,669
for documents to be declassified and

621
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:34,649
file for your requests and so on and so

622
00:28:39,529 --> 00:28:37,049
forth it's like these organizations are

623
00:28:41,389 --> 00:28:39,539
relatively transparent as far as when

624
00:28:42,859 --> 00:28:41,399
they get a case in you know you can read

625
00:28:44,629 --> 00:28:42,869
about it Roger Marsh might write an

626
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:44,639
article about it all that sort of thing

627
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:46,529
and no we see that turn around fairly

628
00:28:50,899 --> 00:28:48,840
quickly that seems to me to be a good

629
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,909
thing oh yeah

630
00:28:58,700 --> 00:28:52,980
no anyway we've got and we've got the

631
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:58,710
young guns like Frank in there digging

632
00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:00,840
through the dirt oh yeah

633
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:03,480
and find out what's going on I mean you

634
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:06,720
guys are the the new generation of

635
00:29:13,369 --> 00:29:09,720
people who are like the coral Lawrence's

636
00:29:15,739 --> 00:29:13,379
you know like dr. harder who really

637
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:15,749
wanted to get into the the bottom line

638
00:29:22,210 --> 00:29:19,289
of this stuff and the abilities that you

639
00:29:24,499 --> 00:29:22,220
guys have for research is so

640
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:24,509
astronomical nowadays compared to what

641
00:29:27,889 --> 00:29:26,129
they used to have in the old days where

642
00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:27,899
you guys can go right to the source and

643
00:29:34,820 --> 00:29:31,700
find out for instance that Elizondo

644
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,830
louis Elizondo termination letter that

645
00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:36,960
he wrote the resignation did he he wrote

646
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:39,929
no one could find it but the young gun i

647
00:29:43,249 --> 00:29:41,609
forget the guy is none i think that was

648
00:29:45,619 --> 00:29:43,259
twitter j who found that yeah yeah

649
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:45,629
twitter j he found the thing you know

650
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:47,940
i'd all of a sudden bingo you know the

651
00:29:52,380 --> 00:29:49,710
light goes on and some of these things

652
00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:52,390
can be confirmed so i think you guys

653
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:55,720
are the advanced guard of probably

654
00:29:59,310 --> 00:29:57,490
what's going to happen here in a not too

655
00:30:01,140 --> 00:29:59,320
distant future I believe as far as

656
00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:01,150
disclosure and the best thing about all

657
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:03,340
that Michael is we can do it in our

658
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:07,510
underwear it's fantastic I can imagine

659
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:14,710
that right now there's it there's a lot

660
00:30:20,669 --> 00:30:18,640
of talk about deep state I wanted you to

661
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:20,679
be able to explain to us a little bit

662
00:30:25,980 --> 00:30:24,250
more about what deep state is it seems

663
00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:25,990
like it's been talked an awful lot about

664
00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:28,150
lately ever since Trump came into

665
00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:30,340
administration as well

666
00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:32,380
do you mind covering that topic a little

667
00:30:39,180 --> 00:30:37,390
bit oh yeah yeah you know it's uh you

668
00:30:41,549 --> 00:30:39,190
know it seems to me that the deep state

669
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,559
term the black hats you know the black

670
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,320
ops you know people out there they seem

671
00:30:50,610 --> 00:30:46,480
to be kind of the upgraded version of

672
00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:50,620
the old terms like loominatee you know

673
00:30:54,659 --> 00:30:52,750
the Cabal and those kinds of things

674
00:30:57,180 --> 00:30:54,669
where people were supposedly you know

675
00:31:00,180 --> 00:30:57,190
running the united states and britain

676
00:31:03,659 --> 00:31:00,190
and things abroad from some other you

677
00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:03,669
know conglomerate organization and i

678
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:06,460
always think back to the old x-files

679
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:08,200
television show when they had that

680
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:11,650
international group of people that

681
00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:13,210
seemed to be in charge of the planet

682
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:16,270
remember and oh yes the smoking man was

683
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,179
kind of like their liaisons for

684
00:31:21,299 --> 00:31:20,320
something to the united states or

685
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:21,309
whatever i thought that was a

686
00:31:25,169 --> 00:31:23,470
fascinating thing but most those guys

687
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:25,179
weren't americans let's put it that way

688
00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:29,200
and i believe of course that there's

689
00:31:35,370 --> 00:31:32,950
probably even a system where the people

690
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:35,380
in charge on this planet are just the

691
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:38,220
minions for some kind of off planet

692
00:31:45,270 --> 00:31:41,110
force it's kind of pulling the strings

693
00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:45,280
and might be responsible for the whole

694
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,040
idea of disclosure happening very

695
00:31:52,169 --> 00:31:50,080
quickly here i believe at one point

696
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:52,179
someone has probably said you know what

697
00:31:58,650 --> 00:31:55,390
it's time you shouldn't have controlled

698
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,660
this for so long if you don't do it we

699
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:01,120
will that kind of a thing so and that's

700
00:32:05,629 --> 00:32:03,370
what i wonder before you guys go forward

701
00:32:07,879 --> 00:32:05,639
on this because i I know

702
00:32:09,529 --> 00:32:07,889
there's gonna be some incredible

703
00:32:11,329 --> 00:32:09,539
information you're going to share with

704
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:11,339
us I'd like Frank to cover with you I

705
00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:13,769
just want to read the definition of deep

706
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:16,409
state that way our listeners have the

707
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:19,289
benefit of understanding what it is and

708
00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:21,450
that as deep state is believed to be a

709
00:32:25,549 --> 00:32:23,399
clandestine network entrenched inside

710
00:32:28,089 --> 00:32:25,559
the government bureaucracy intelligence

711
00:32:30,979 --> 00:32:28,099
agencies and other governmental entities

712
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:30,989
the deep state supposedly controls state

713
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:33,179
policy behind the scenes while the

714
00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:35,129
democratically elected process and

715
00:32:40,969 --> 00:32:37,950
elected officials are merely figureheads

716
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:40,979
and you're connecting an ET Force to

717
00:32:47,659 --> 00:32:44,570
that would you like to jump in on that

718
00:32:50,569 --> 00:32:47,669
yeah well I'm just thinking that you

719
00:32:53,989 --> 00:32:50,579
know obviously that's the the on planet

720
00:32:56,659 --> 00:32:53,999
kind of control mechanism that's been

721
00:32:58,489 --> 00:32:56,669
keeping and obviously this has been

722
00:33:01,969 --> 00:32:58,499
going on for millennia

723
00:33:04,729 --> 00:33:01,979
you know I the here's here's my theory

724
00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:04,739
on this whole thing if you were a

725
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:07,169
control mechanism if you were a king if

726
00:33:12,619 --> 00:33:10,129
you were a despot you wanted to control

727
00:33:15,489 --> 00:33:12,629
your people you're the people that you

728
00:33:18,829 --> 00:33:15,499
you have been charged with controlling

729
00:33:21,139 --> 00:33:18,839
you would have a long term plan your

730
00:33:23,209 --> 00:33:21,149
long term plan might include your

731
00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:23,219
children your grandchildren your

732
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:24,299
great-grandchildren

733
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:27,659
but how many of us have been able to be

734
00:33:32,779 --> 00:33:30,779
very successful at all in trying to get

735
00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:32,789
your grandchildren for instance or even

736
00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:36,059
your own kids to do your bidding or what

737
00:33:42,019 --> 00:33:38,940
you would like them to do so I have a

738
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:42,029
feeling that this ongoing you know

739
00:33:47,089 --> 00:33:44,849
generation after generation of control

740
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,099
mechanism Illuminati whatever you want

741
00:33:51,889 --> 00:33:49,919
to call it has had some direction from

742
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:51,899
an outside force to keep them on track

743
00:33:57,349 --> 00:33:54,659
otherwise well I mean you'll cut even

744
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,359
the Mafia the mob you know these guys

745
00:34:01,489 --> 00:33:59,039
are fighting amongst themselves all the

746
00:34:04,459 --> 00:34:01,499
time taking over one another and killing

747
00:34:07,609 --> 00:34:04,469
each other and stuff and so it's very

748
00:34:10,789 --> 00:34:07,619
difficult to have a long term plan when

749
00:34:13,609 --> 00:34:10,799
you're doing any kind of program so I

750
00:34:16,579 --> 00:34:13,619
think the fact that it's been so long

751
00:34:18,409 --> 00:34:16,589
and ongoing there's got to be some kind

752
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:18,419
of control mechanism keeping it going

753
00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:19,410
through

754
00:34:29,410 --> 00:34:25,080
you know you're talking Samaria you're

755
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:29,420
talking the Anunnaki whoever so I am

756
00:34:36,860 --> 00:34:32,460
very confident that there's got to be

757
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:36,870
some kind of plan out there that is

758
00:34:42,350 --> 00:34:39,450
maybe coming to fruition very shortly

759
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:42,360
here on the planet and we just have I

760
00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:43,740
tell you what we've got to congratulate

761
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,950
ourselves for at least being born or

762
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,440
maybe having the foresight to being born

763
00:34:55,670 --> 00:34:52,320
at this particular time on this little

764
00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:55,680
blue planet Michael are jumping in there

765
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,160
as far as the timeline for getting more

766
00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:01,440
of this information out of what world do

767
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:03,480
you think that our scientific

768
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:06,180
advancements especially in terms of

769
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:08,010
looking into deep space in our own

770
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:10,380
galaxy seeing that most stars have

771
00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:13,290
exoplanets good many of them might very

772
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:15,390
well be able to support life some of

773
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:17,880
that life might be the individuals that

774
00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:20,700
are getting here and visiting us we're

775
00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:22,670
getting closer and closer every day to

776
00:35:27,740 --> 00:35:25,380
discovering and really confirming our

777
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:27,750
life out there in the galaxy what role

778
00:35:33,140 --> 00:35:30,210
do you think that might be playing as a

779
00:35:36,020 --> 00:35:33,150
catalyst for this increased information

780
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:36,030
coming out to us regarding the UFOs

781
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:40,410
being et well you know I don't know that

782
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:43,380
it's a catalyst because it is such a

783
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,090
controlled you know area of inquiry the

784
00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:50,640
scientific community has got to be one

785
00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:53,720
of the most difficult time things to do

786
00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:56,430
if you wanted to really do exploration

787
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:58,260
once you come up with some kind of

788
00:36:04,810 --> 00:36:01,680
earth-shaking new information you know

789
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:04,820
life on Mars you know some kind of

790
00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:08,250
exoplanet that would you know have a

791
00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:10,350
life on it just like we have on our

792
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:10,950
planet

793
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:12,660
those things are clamped down very

794
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:14,490
quickly because of the system that we're

795
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,890
in right now matter of fact some people

796
00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:18,720
believe that scientists are going to be

797
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,190
maybe even in a worse position than our

798
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:25,200
religious scholars in that regard if we

799
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:27,930
prove the existence of aliens and

800
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:31,650
they're visiting the planet so we have a

801
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:33,180
lot of capability I think

802
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:34,410
there's a whole lot of folks out there

803
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:37,770
in that scientific community that do

804
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:40,050
know what going what is going on because

805
00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:43,770
obviously if you if you hear the news

806
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:47,430
from these Harvard astronomers who's

807
00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:52,430
saying that the moolah moolah you know

808
00:36:57,140 --> 00:36:54,780
you know the thing that came through our

809
00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:57,150
solar system yes sir yep

810
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:00,599
could have been they're saying a alien

811
00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:03,630
probe you know now you're starting to

812
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:06,150
get sight the scientific community to

813
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:09,540
make observations and to report on them

814
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:12,690
like they have never done in the past so

815
00:37:19,819 --> 00:37:15,569
you see a [\h__\h] in the wall basically I

816
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:19,829
think of the whole idea that this new

817
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:21,510
information that a lot of people have

818
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:24,569
known about I believe over the decades

819
00:37:30,589 --> 00:37:28,859
and eons are now maybe being you know

820
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:30,599
green-lighted to be able to get to the

821
00:37:34,819 --> 00:37:33,450
masses for some interesting reason and

822
00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:34,829
of course that's the bottom line

823
00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:38,280
why are they coming out now and wanting

824
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:44,790
us to know all these things take a

825
00:37:51,740 --> 00:37:47,970
chance yeah I have so many questions I

826
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:51,750
oh ha ha ha ha I like we're started

827
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:54,960
dancing around a certain topic that is

828
00:38:01,579 --> 00:37:58,170
absolutely astounding but I want to

829
00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:01,589
cover a topic that is of interest to a

830
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:04,500
lot of people and I just I I'm gonna go

831
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:07,049
ahead and an apology apologetically

832
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,720
bring it back up again and that is the

833
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:12,000
deep state I have kind of a

834
00:38:17,799 --> 00:38:15,240
philosophical question for you that's

835
00:38:22,339 --> 00:38:17,809
relevant Michael and that is deep state

836
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:22,349
it kind of taints the democratic process

837
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,710
for a country that's driving to have one

838
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:27,839
in the democratic process it turns into

839
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:31,020
a facade the the shadow government is

840
00:38:39,740 --> 00:38:34,740
also what it's called is it possible for

841
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:39,750
people to be a member of an oppressed

842
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:43,170
member of the the deep state and not

843
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:47,040
even know they're being oppressed

844
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:49,260
yeah well of course I think there's many

845
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:52,410
many levels of the whole mechanism of

846
00:38:57,350 --> 00:38:55,260
the deep state you know you talk with

847
00:38:59,800 --> 00:38:57,360
most people in the military even

848
00:39:02,600 --> 00:38:59,810
scientists and the scientific community

849
00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:02,610
and politicians as well around the world

850
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:04,200
you know they're all trying to probably

851
00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:06,390
do the very best they can and a daily

852
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:09,630
basis and represent the people in the

853
00:39:15,110 --> 00:39:12,330
best way they know how for their best

854
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:15,120
and highest good but of course as you

855
00:39:20,090 --> 00:39:17,610
get higher up the food chain that's

856
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:20,100
where the control mechanism happens now

857
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:22,680
I know we have all heard of these things

858
00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:25,050
where they've got the black hats and the

859
00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:27,270
white hats you know even in the military

860
00:39:32,060 --> 00:39:29,540
the Pentagon those kinds of things

861
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:32,070
there's different factions out there

862
00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:34,740
that I believe are probably at this

863
00:39:40,220 --> 00:39:37,070
point even warring amongst themselves

864
00:39:43,610 --> 00:39:40,230
arguing anyway amongst themselves about

865
00:39:46,750 --> 00:39:43,620
the best way to go in you know forging

866
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,760
to the future here in disclosing

867
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:48,960
disclosing information and not

868
00:39:55,820 --> 00:39:52,320
disclosing information the whole idea of

869
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:55,830
UFO is being demonic not being demonic

870
00:40:00,260 --> 00:39:58,410
you know the the good et's versus the

871
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:00,270
bad ETS

872
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:03,030
I have a feeling that there is a very

873
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:08,130
wide disparity in the control mechanism

874
00:40:13,850 --> 00:40:11,190
nowadays it's not like one group I think

875
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:13,860
is in charge any longer I think they're

876
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:16,920
probably well it might be the the whole

877
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:18,900
idea that I came up with earlier when

878
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:20,910
the younger generations now are getting

879
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:23,610
into power maybe they're thinking twice

880
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:27,480
about maintaining the the same posture

881
00:40:33,110 --> 00:40:30,180
that their forebearers did in this

882
00:40:36,260 --> 00:40:33,120
regard as far as you know keeping the

883
00:40:40,820 --> 00:40:36,270
information hidden so I don't know it's

884
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:40,830
very exciting and kind of scary as well

885
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:44,130
to determine the best way to go when

886
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:45,690
you're dealing with this stuff on a

887
00:40:53,090 --> 00:40:48,660
daily basis and trying to find out the

888
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:53,100
truth yeah it sounds like the process of

889
00:41:00,500 --> 00:40:55,770
disclosure needs to happen through the

890
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:00,510
people do you think that's true

891
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:03,530
well your that's a very good analogy

892
00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:06,210
Jana and I'll tell you what it's very

893
00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:09,150
interesting that grant Cameron is coming

894
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:12,600
out with this his new book which he is

895
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:14,690
are actually going to disclose this

896
00:41:20,330 --> 00:41:18,420
smoking gun memo in the book but one of

897
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:20,340
the themes in his book that he is

898
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:23,400
writing about is the idea that if

899
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:26,730
everyone in ufology if everyone in the

900
00:41:33,820 --> 00:41:29,310
scientific community if everyone that

901
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:33,830
had knowledge of these strange phenomena

902
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,140
the phenomenology problem basically is

903
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:40,200
what the CIA calls it if we all just

904
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:43,369
laid what we know on the table right now

905
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:46,619
disclosure would be over with this his

906
00:41:51,260 --> 00:41:48,900
theme because there are lots of

907
00:41:55,340 --> 00:41:51,270
information out there that people have

908
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:55,350
confirmation of and some for some reason

909
00:41:59,380 --> 00:41:56,760
or another a lot of people are just

910
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,390
holding on to it to the right time

911
00:42:03,620 --> 00:42:01,200
because they don't want to lose their

912
00:42:05,330 --> 00:42:03,630
source you know they're being fed

913
00:42:07,820 --> 00:42:05,340
information and they want to make sure

914
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:07,830
there's they stay in the loop those

915
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:10,770
kinds of things but it gets to the point

916
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:15,720
at one time in our whole growth period

917
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:17,910
here the psychological and consciousness

918
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:21,660
a growth that we're all experiencing is

919
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:23,940
that we just have to say now is the time

920
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,310
we're going to lay it on the table we're

921
00:42:30,260 --> 00:42:28,560
going to confirm what we have and we're

922
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:30,270
gonna have everybody coming out at once

923
00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:33,480
and I'm hoping that at one point very

924
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:36,350
shortly there will be the first domino

925
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:39,720
that actually tips itself far enough

926
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:42,270
over and just start banging over the

927
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:44,310
rest of them and everything starts

928
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:46,290
coming out all at once once once you

929
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:49,770
disclose one major thing in the

930
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,290
paranormal you follow G aliens or

931
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:54,240
whatever it is all of a sudden there's

932
00:42:57,620 --> 00:42:55,650
gonna be a whole lot of questions that

933
00:42:59,420 --> 00:42:57,630
have to be answered so I'm looking

934
00:43:02,060 --> 00:42:59,430
forward to that and then you had

935
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:02,070
mentioned grants new book and the

936
00:43:05,570 --> 00:43:04,260
document that he received I want to tell

937
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:05,580
our folks a little bit about that we

938
00:43:09,020 --> 00:43:07,410
talked a a good bit about it that when

939
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:09,030
we were on Dave's show together Dave

940
00:43:12,830 --> 00:43:11,310
Scott Shou who has spaced out radio what

941
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:12,840
the hell our listeners who didn't happen

942
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:14,130
to catch that show

943
00:43:20,539 --> 00:43:17,640
all about it okay well hold on to your

944
00:43:23,420 --> 00:43:20,549
hats folks and fatten yours fasten your

945
00:43:26,779 --> 00:43:23,430
seat belts because I'll tell you what we

946
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:26,789
have all wondered well I don't know I

947
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:29,640
have anyway what would I do if someone

948
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:32,640
came up to me at a conference or some

949
00:43:38,029 --> 00:43:35,220
kind of a convention on that you know

950
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,039
which we all go to periodically and said

951
00:43:45,319 --> 00:43:40,920
hey I have something that is going to be

952
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:45,329
ironclad proof of something you know

953
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:50,640
UFOs aliens mj-12 you know the

954
00:43:54,529 --> 00:43:52,920
government crash retrieval reverse

955
00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:54,539
engineering programs all that kind of

956
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:57,900
stuff what would we do and this is what

957
00:44:02,960 --> 00:43:59,940
happened with Grant Cameron not too long

958
00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:02,970
ago he was at a conference and he was

959
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:05,190
approached by a gentleman like he always

960
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:07,170
is after he gives his talks you know

961
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:10,170
State alum really loved the way you talk

962
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,660
and stuff and loved your presentation I

963
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:13,920
have something I think you'd be

964
00:44:18,739 --> 00:44:16,410
interested in seeing and Grant at the

965
00:44:20,749 --> 00:44:18,749
time was on his way to get to the

966
00:44:22,489 --> 00:44:20,759
shuttle up to the airport to go to

967
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:22,499
another conference and he couldn't spend

968
00:44:27,529 --> 00:44:24,569
a whole lot of time talking with this

969
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:27,539
gentleman but the guy just happened to

970
00:44:33,019 --> 00:44:30,930
have his little iPad right there and

971
00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:33,029
whipped up I pulled up a document that

972
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:35,880
he had in his storage thing that blew

973
00:44:45,739 --> 00:44:39,599
grant Cameron away and let me explore it

974
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:45,749
it's a 15 page manuscript basically an

975
00:44:52,959 --> 00:44:49,920
interview that was held between two

976
00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:52,969
people one of them is a highly-placed

977
00:45:00,709 --> 00:44:58,140
military insider I'm telling you so

978
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:00,719
highly placed that this is the Joint

979
00:45:08,329 --> 00:45:05,700
Chiefs of Staff j2 in charge of all of

980
00:45:12,019 --> 00:45:08,339
the intelligence operations for all the

981
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:12,029
military branches so you're talking a

982
00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:15,599
high-level government military in person

983
00:45:24,979 --> 00:45:18,660
telling and talking with another

984
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:24,989
high-level scientific person who has

985
00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:27,520
been involved

986
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,390
decades in the whole idea of science and

987
00:45:35,490 --> 00:45:34,000
space and all that kind of stuff what

988
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:35,500
happened was the gentlemen they were

989
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:38,290
both interested in the subjects UFOs and

990
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:42,250
the paranormal and the scientists

991
00:45:46,650 --> 00:45:44,170
decided to have an hour

992
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:46,660
well actually got an hour 20 minute

993
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:50,290
interview with this gentleman and wrote

994
00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:55,090
down or actually I'm positive he had a

995
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:56,830
tape recorder because this is

996
00:46:02,970 --> 00:45:58,930
word-for-word the transcript that he

997
00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:02,980
wrote down afterwards of his hour and 20

998
00:46:08,130 --> 00:46:05,740
minute interview and in this document

999
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:08,140
they are talking about what they both

1000
00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:12,780
had admonish as being the core secrets

1001
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:16,619
the idea in quotes core core secrets

1002
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:19,930
that have always been kept in the

1003
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:22,450
background are now being disclosed than

1004
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:24,970
this conversation between these two

1005
00:46:31,410 --> 00:46:27,310
people and like I mentioned the whole

1006
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:31,420
idea that Roswell New Mexico actually

1007
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:33,670
happened the crashed saucer crashed and

1008
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:36,310
they actually retrieved alien bodies

1009
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:39,430
both dead and alive that kind of thing

1010
00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:41,740
is in this memo the whole idea that the

1011
00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:47,140
mj-12 group that was formed by Truman

1012
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,340
back in 1947 just at the same time by

1013
00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:53,440
the way that they that they formed and

1014
00:46:58,349 --> 00:46:55,900
created the National Security Act at the

1015
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,359
same time which was only three weeks

1016
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:00,880
after the crash of Roswell New Mexico so

1017
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:02,710
it lends you to believe that there was

1018
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:05,609
some major things going on at that point

1019
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,890
and the fact that mj-12 was an actual

1020
00:47:13,050 --> 00:47:10,240
organization of course there's always

1021
00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:13,060
been pros and cons on that but these are

1022
00:47:20,609 --> 00:47:18,460
this is a document that is one of those

1023
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:20,619
kinds of things that the provenance of

1024
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:25,090
it seems to be very solid where this

1025
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:27,910
document comes from is even more amazing

1026
00:47:34,050 --> 00:47:31,210
as far as the Chain of Custody those

1027
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,060
kinds of issues so anyway that's that's

1028
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:36,160
what grant Cameron is about ready to

1029
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:40,510
foist upon the world very shortly

1030
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,560
and I'm very excited to be as attorney

1031
00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:46,720
actually at this point because I have

1032
00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:50,680
created this very intricate disclosure

1033
00:47:56,190 --> 00:47:53,590
trust for grant and he is not only

1034
00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:56,200
putting this memo and other things in it

1035
00:48:03,000 --> 00:47:58,930
but it's going to be chock-full of other

1036
00:48:04,830 --> 00:48:03,010
things later on as well this is this is

1037
00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:04,840
coming out in his next book though it

1038
00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:07,060
was that correct yeah some of the things

1039
00:48:12,740 --> 00:48:08,740
are going to be coming out in the book

1040
00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:12,750
the specific 15 page transcript will be

1041
00:48:17,730 --> 00:48:15,880
and then some of the other things he he

1042
00:48:20,310 --> 00:48:17,740
wants to hold off for another period of

1043
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:20,320
time but the major bomb he called it the

1044
00:48:26,730 --> 00:48:22,990
major UFO bomb when he first told me

1045
00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:26,740
about it on a on a text on January 2 the

1046
00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:30,070
second of this year is the 15 page

1047
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:33,070
transcript that people will be able to

1048
00:48:38,090 --> 00:48:36,190
pick apart they'll be able to ask

1049
00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:38,100
questions about they'll be able to

1050
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:42,280
corroborate actually and what what grant

1051
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:47,040
is attempting to do he is what he calls

1052
00:48:52,260 --> 00:48:50,110
99% sure that this is a true document

1053
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:52,270
but nothing's you know everybody knows

1054
00:48:58,740 --> 00:48:55,560
that they've gone these you know

1055
00:49:01,050 --> 00:48:58,750
disinformation processes and and release

1056
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:01,060
things that that don't really you know

1057
00:49:08,910 --> 00:49:06,640
matter would like to give a disclaimer

1058
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:08,920
first that's a really important a legal

1059
00:49:14,070 --> 00:49:11,650
disclaimer about grant that Michael

1060
00:49:16,350 --> 00:49:14,080
agreed with me on regarding the last

1061
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:16,360
show we all did together that I would

1062
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:19,390
like to stress about grant Cameron and

1063
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:23,110
that is he would never willingly accept

1064
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:26,950
classified documents these documents

1065
00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:29,170
that you're talking about are not

1066
00:49:37,260 --> 00:49:33,550
classified at all exactly right and then

1067
00:49:39,090 --> 00:49:37,270
also before you go into it I just have a

1068
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:39,100
few questions if you don't mind I'm

1069
00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:42,430
sorry and that is are there any dist

1070
00:49:46,590 --> 00:49:44,830
it's three questions are there any

1071
00:49:49,050 --> 00:49:46,600
disputes about signatures on these

1072
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:49,060
documents if there are any to be had are

1073
00:49:54,849 --> 00:49:51,970
they reproductions and are there any

1074
00:49:59,380 --> 00:49:54,859
originals

1075
00:50:03,069 --> 00:49:59,390
you know the there are a signature or

1076
00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:03,079
two on these it's not necessarily the

1077
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:05,630
signatures and and those signatures can

1078
00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:10,130
be you know confirmed or studied for

1079
00:50:14,289 --> 00:50:12,470
sure okay but it's not the signatures

1080
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:14,299
that are the startling thing I

1081
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:16,970
understand it it's basically the people

1082
00:50:22,210 --> 00:50:19,520
that are involved and what they're

1083
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,220
saying they are specifically identified

1084
00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:24,160
that's going to come out and in the book

1085
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,270
actually here's what its gonna what's

1086
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:28,160
gonna happen Frank and this is where the

1087
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:30,920
young guns come into play by the way cuz

1088
00:50:40,510 --> 00:50:35,089
Grant is with some hopefully good legal

1089
00:50:43,539 --> 00:50:40,520
advice he has decided to release in his

1090
00:50:45,970 --> 00:50:43,549
book a redacted version of this memo

1091
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:45,980
which is going to take out the major

1092
00:50:50,289 --> 00:50:49,760
names of this thing okay but here's the

1093
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:50,299
deal

1094
00:50:57,450 --> 00:50:54,970
there has been corroborated

1095
00:51:01,809 --> 00:50:57,460
investigations and evidence from other

1096
00:51:05,049 --> 00:51:01,819
ufologists out there I'm talking Richard

1097
00:51:09,130 --> 00:51:05,059
Dolan I'm talking dr. Steven Greer I'm

1098
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:09,140
talking people who know who these names

1099
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:11,210
are right and know who these characters

1100
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,710
are as well as you guys the young guns

1101
00:51:20,170 --> 00:51:17,839
out there will be able to find out and

1102
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:20,180
corroborate who these people are

1103
00:51:23,740 --> 00:51:22,250
immediately so what I've told grant is

1104
00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:23,750
that you know what you're gonna cover

1105
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,329
your base you're going to keep yourself

1106
00:51:32,289 --> 00:51:28,880
legally pure on this whole thing and not

1107
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,299
happen to out anyone but there the

1108
00:51:38,769 --> 00:51:35,440
amount of corroborating evidence will be

1109
00:51:40,539 --> 00:51:38,779
astonishing and he thinks I believe I

1110
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:40,549
agree with him within a matter of days

1111
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:42,890
or even hours that this thing is

1112
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:46,010
released the actual names of these

1113
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:47,990
individuals that are named in the

1114
00:51:55,539 --> 00:51:51,770
document but redacted will be oh yeah

1115
00:51:59,260 --> 00:51:55,549
very very who are all still alive by the

1116
00:52:01,690 --> 00:51:59,270
way is that really because almost all of

1117
00:52:02,859 --> 00:52:01,700
them are still alive that's the shocking

1118
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:02,869
thing and there's going to be some

1119
00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:06,710
people that are going to be really up

1120
00:52:11,110 --> 00:52:09,470
obviously of being outed in this regard

1121
00:52:13,540 --> 00:52:11,120
but does okay

1122
00:52:15,310 --> 00:52:13,550
Oh most of them it's the time frame for

1123
00:52:16,810 --> 00:52:15,320
this document you had mentioned on Dave

1124
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:16,820
show that we didn't get you haven't

1125
00:52:21,390 --> 00:52:19,130
gotten to was somewhere in the decade of

1126
00:52:22,780 --> 00:52:21,400
the two thousand so the last decade

1127
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:22,790
right

1128
00:52:26,890 --> 00:52:24,650
you got a Frank it's not it's not a

1129
00:52:31,930 --> 00:52:26,900
historic document this is not like you

1130
00:52:34,810 --> 00:52:31,940
know mj-12 1947 fifty two this is you

1131
00:52:37,410 --> 00:52:34,820
know with okay yeah contemporary

1132
00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:37,420
document by people who are still alive

1133
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:41,180
okay now I guess now is the time where I

1134
00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:44,930
get to play wet blanket and say my

1135
00:52:49,630 --> 00:52:47,390
disclaimer if it sounds too good to be

1136
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:49,640
true it probably is

1137
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:52,910
okay so yeah when I first got involved

1138
00:53:00,280 --> 00:52:56,290
in all this the majestic 12 documents

1139
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:00,290
were a pretty good research tool for me

1140
00:53:05,590 --> 00:53:03,710
and led me to look at things like the

1141
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:05,600
documentation on the Truman at the

1142
00:53:11,650 --> 00:53:07,850
Truman library and it was very helpful

1143
00:53:14,620 --> 00:53:11,660
to me but by the same token I don't

1144
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:14,630
believe that they are in fact true now

1145
00:53:18,910 --> 00:53:16,370
I've got one of the one of the more

1146
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:18,920
famous majestic 12 documents up here now

1147
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:22,010
folks can look at it I would say that

1148
00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:24,290
these documents are to a large extent

1149
00:53:29,290 --> 00:53:26,900
pretty well researched I believe it's

1150
00:53:31,090 --> 00:53:29,300
been pretty well established by maybe

1151
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:31,100
some of the more skeptical researchers

1152
00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:35,450
that these documents are not legitimate

1153
00:53:40,210 --> 00:53:38,900
that they were put together by a fuzzy

1154
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:40,220
the Air Force Office of Special

1155
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:43,280
Investigations which has in fact over

1156
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:45,410
the years let a number of UFO

1157
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:48,050
researchers astray with this this type

1158
00:53:52,690 --> 00:53:51,170
of bogus information but this is one of

1159
00:53:55,870 --> 00:53:52,700
the more famous documents we've got up

1160
00:53:57,550 --> 00:53:55,880
now with a little bit of additional

1161
00:54:00,700 --> 00:53:57,560
information kind of photoshopped that

1162
00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:00,710
towards the bottom but this document

1163
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:03,190
here that I've got up is basically

1164
00:54:10,990 --> 00:54:07,130
Truman's ordering that the the majestic

1165
00:54:13,330 --> 00:54:11,000
12 operation begins and it's started

1166
00:54:17,590 --> 00:54:13,340
with a James Forrestal and Vannevar bush

1167
00:54:19,220 --> 00:54:17,600
on a date September 24th 1947 a quick

1168
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:19,230
perusal of the

1169
00:54:24,020 --> 00:54:21,450
president's calendar at the Truman

1170
00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:24,030
website reveals that in fact he did meet

1171
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:26,790
on that particular day with a James

1172
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:29,910
Forrestal in Vannevar Bush in probably

1173
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:31,110
the Oval Office he met with him

1174
00:54:35,090 --> 00:54:33,000
somewhere in the White House but he did

1175
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:35,100
meet with those two gentlemen and I

1176
00:54:39,380 --> 00:54:37,140
certainly don't think that proves that

1177
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,390
this is a legitimate document but what

1178
00:54:43,550 --> 00:54:41,520
it proves is it was a fairly well

1179
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:43,560
researched document I don't think

1180
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:44,910
there's any question about that

1181
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,980
they they put some time and they put

1182
00:54:51,350 --> 00:54:48,000
some effort and when the original

1183
00:54:54,830 --> 00:54:51,360
majestic 12 documents were released on a

1184
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:54,840
piece of microphone microfilm sent to a

1185
00:54:59,330 --> 00:54:56,610
film producer by the name of Jay and

1186
00:55:02,630 --> 00:54:59,340
Jamie Shonda Ray this was back in the

1187
00:55:04,820 --> 00:55:02,640
1980s so this predates the internet

1188
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:04,830
obviously and the Truman library online

1189
00:55:08,810 --> 00:55:07,050
archives so whoever picked up this

1190
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:08,820
information and tied this particular

1191
00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:11,220
date and these particular individuals

1192
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,320
Vannevar Bush and then Secretary of

1193
00:55:18,140 --> 00:55:15,680
Defense James Forrestal to this meeting

1194
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:18,150
did some research they did wanted two

1195
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:20,370
things they either almost certainly

1196
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:22,260
either went to the Truman library

1197
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:24,900
directly and went through the archives

1198
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:27,240
and looked at the president's calendar

1199
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:29,130
and said oh my goodness this looks like

1200
00:55:33,050 --> 00:55:30,450
an interesting date to die this

1201
00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:33,060
particular bogus document too or they

1202
00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:36,390
hired a researcher for hire who went to

1203
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:38,220
the Truman library yeah that sort of

1204
00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:39,780
thing is available you could hire a

1205
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:41,700
local researcher we'll go to the Truman

1206
00:55:45,410 --> 00:55:43,770
library and give them some information

1207
00:55:47,390 --> 00:55:45,420
like I want everything on James

1208
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:47,400
Forrestal and they'll dig that up for

1209
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,020
you and get it back to you so one of

1210
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:50,880
those two things did happen certainly

1211
00:55:59,060 --> 00:55:53,570
the Air Force does in fact have the

1212
00:56:01,490 --> 00:55:59,070
resources to get a an intelligence

1213
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:01,500
officer to the Truman library and go in

1214
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:03,210
there and dig some stuff up but it might

1215
00:56:06,380 --> 00:56:04,530
have been done the other way but either

1216
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,390
or that's what I think what happened

1217
00:56:09,380 --> 00:56:07,680
there but this is the type of thing that

1218
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:09,390
you're often looking at with some of

1219
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:10,890
these bogus documents where they do

1220
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:13,920
actually tied the bogus do something

1221
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:16,200
that absolutely did in fact happen so

1222
00:56:21,140 --> 00:56:18,450
that's that document another interesting

1223
00:56:23,950 --> 00:56:21,150
document is in the majestic 12 archives

1224
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:23,960
and unfortunately that is not available

1225
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:26,730
very early on there was a website that

1226
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:28,200
had all of them in there and they were

1227
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:30,210
on PDFs and you could download them that

1228
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:32,770
website unfortunately no longer exists

1229
00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:35,260
but it did at one point and I was able

1230
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,480
to grab a few of the PDFs this is

1231
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:39,280
another majestic 12 document that I

1232
00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:42,660
think is especially interesting approved

1233
00:56:51,540 --> 00:56:47,590
by Harry Truman goes into needs to know

1234
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,550
and what was discovered from the Roswell

1235
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:53,680
crash and so on and so forth again I

1236
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:55,210
note the date towards the top of the

1237
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:01,119
page 19 September 1947 and on page 14 of

1238
00:57:06,990 --> 00:57:03,490
that particular document a number of

1239
00:57:08,790 --> 00:57:07,000
organizations have let's see based on

1240
00:57:10,650 --> 00:57:08,800
all available evidence collected from

1241
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,660
recovered exhibits currently under study

1242
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:12,640
and goes on to list a number of

1243
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:15,010
organizations at NACA which was the

1244
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:17,050
precursor to NASA another one that's

1245
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:18,400
listed which I think is particularly

1246
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:21,910
interesting the in the second spot after

1247
00:57:30,210 --> 00:57:25,690
the NACA is Rand which is short for RAND

1248
00:57:31,950 --> 00:57:30,220
Corporation the red flag here is again

1249
00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:31,960
let's go back to that original date

1250
00:57:38,099 --> 00:57:35,800
September 19th 1947 and Rand of course

1251
00:57:40,109 --> 00:57:38,109
referring to the RAND Corporation which

1252
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:40,119
has had some involvement with UFOs over

1253
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:43,030
the years the RAND Corporation was not

1254
00:57:49,980 --> 00:57:46,570
founded until the following year the the

1255
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:49,990
middle part of 1948 so that is a strong

1256
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:51,730
indicator that that particular document

1257
00:57:59,490 --> 00:57:56,710
is again bogus and also here we've got

1258
00:58:01,410 --> 00:57:59,500
Michael and mentioned Steven Greer and

1259
00:58:03,930 --> 00:58:01,420
his most recent film was a film called

1260
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:03,940
unacknowledged where one of his major

1261
00:58:09,090 --> 00:58:06,180
hooks in terms of getting the film

1262
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:09,100
promoted and sold was a purported

1263
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:12,040
document tying the death of Marilyn

1264
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:14,710
Monroe to her knowledge about UFOs and

1265
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:16,090
in fact she was murdered because she

1266
00:58:21,540 --> 00:58:19,119
knew too much about UFOs this document

1267
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:21,550
is also bogus I got that from Paul Dean

1268
00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:24,130
directly we discussed that and I'm very

1269
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:26,500
confident in his expertise on this

1270
00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:27,369
particular matter

1271
00:58:33,090 --> 00:58:30,520
and also there is the serpo material

1272
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:33,100
which is floated around and let me let

1273
00:58:37,170 --> 00:58:34,450
me jump ahead here because I'm going to

1274
00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:37,180
get to another piece it's over in the

1275
00:58:42,570 --> 00:58:40,060
serpro material acerbo org is a website

1276
00:58:45,330 --> 00:58:42,580
that still exists and you can go to its

1277
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:45,340
urban org we'd all the serpo material

1278
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:46,210
there

1279
00:58:50,310 --> 00:58:48,609
very entertaining I enjoy reading this

1280
00:58:52,530 --> 00:58:50,320
stuff I think I read through just about

1281
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:52,540
all of it way back in the day I haven't

1282
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:53,650
looked at it for a while

1283
00:58:59,250 --> 00:58:56,530
but one of the things that's outlined in

1284
00:59:01,950 --> 00:58:59,260
the serpro material relates to a direct

1285
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:01,960
contact between extraterrestrials the

1286
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:03,730
eben says they're referred to in the

1287
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:07,119
serpo material and the United States Air

1288
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:10,810
Force and what they do here is discuss a

1289
00:59:17,010 --> 00:59:14,050
landing they the Air Force had received

1290
00:59:19,890 --> 00:59:17,020
messages from the eben x' in december of

1291
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:19,900
63 that the following year they'd make

1292
00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:22,930
some kind of direct contact and it

1293
00:59:27,089 --> 00:59:25,180
mentions a couple paragraphs below and

1294
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:27,099
i'll read this verbatim the first eben

1295
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:29,170
craft entered our atmosphere during the

1296
00:59:35,070 --> 00:59:32,710
afternoon of April 24th 1964 the eben

1297
00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:35,080
craft landed at the wrong location near

1298
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:37,960
Socorro New Mexico again this is

1299
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,480
attempting to tie this material to a

1300
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:42,400
known incident and what happened on

1301
00:59:48,329 --> 00:59:45,609
April 24th 1964 near Socorro New Mexico

1302
00:59:50,010 --> 00:59:48,339
was of course the Lonnie Zamora case and

1303
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:50,020
think what you like about that

1304
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,330
particular case I don't know anybody who

1305
00:59:58,079 --> 00:59:55,119
is seriously putting forth that mr.

1306
01:00:00,660 --> 00:59:58,089
Zamora saw a UFO in fact I'm of the

1307
01:00:03,660 --> 01:00:00,670
opinion that what he witnessed was a

1308
01:00:06,089 --> 01:00:03,670
balloon launched by some local college

1309
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,099
students from the New Mexico Institute

1310
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:09,040
of mining and technology so again this

1311
01:00:12,839 --> 01:00:11,410
is kind of a fuzzy trick this is

1312
01:00:16,109 --> 01:00:12,849
something that they do on a regular

1313
01:00:19,530 --> 01:00:16,119
basis trying to tie made up facts within

1314
01:00:22,290 --> 01:00:19,540
their their their fantasy writings to

1315
01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:22,300
real events that we know did happen and

1316
01:00:27,570 --> 01:00:25,150
finally and this is the one where I I do

1317
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:27,580
express some legitimate concern to both

1318
01:00:31,859 --> 01:00:29,920
Michael and grant before putting too

1319
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:31,869
much stock in this material of course I

1320
01:00:36,359 --> 01:00:34,720
wish them the best I hope they they come

1321
01:00:38,550 --> 01:00:36,369
a cropper with this and they hit the

1322
01:00:41,460 --> 01:00:38,560
jackpot but this is another document

1323
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:41,470
that is in the serpo material released

1324
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:44,710
27a and this is a transcript a lengthy

1325
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:46,690
transcript Stav an alleged meeting

1326
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:50,050
between the then President Ronald Reagan

1327
01:00:53,710 --> 01:00:51,170
and

1328
01:00:56,650 --> 01:00:53,720
an individual who apparently is referred

1329
01:00:59,530 --> 01:00:56,660
to in the conversation as the caretaker

1330
01:01:02,289 --> 01:00:59,540
but basically he is the person who keeps

1331
01:01:04,569 --> 01:01:02,299
all the UFO secrets and he is briefing

1332
01:01:07,059 --> 01:01:04,579
Ronald Reagan about all this and again

1333
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:07,069
it's released 27a you can go ahead and

1334
01:01:10,539 --> 01:01:09,200
you can read all through it and like I

1335
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:10,549
say I think it's a very entertaining

1336
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,450
fiction but this this briefing never did

1337
01:01:18,490 --> 01:01:16,160
take place I did take a look at Reagan's

1338
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:18,500
schedule and on the date let's see the

1339
01:01:22,809 --> 01:01:20,930
recording was made March 6 and 8 1981

1340
01:01:24,370 --> 01:01:22,819
and in fact I did look at Reagan's

1341
01:01:26,109 --> 01:01:24,380
schedule he was at Camp David at that

1342
01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:26,119
particular point again a good bit of

1343
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:28,940
research was done on it but so this

1344
01:01:34,270 --> 01:01:32,240
briefing is tied to a definitive event

1345
01:01:36,099 --> 01:01:34,280
he was at Camp David on those dates but

1346
01:01:40,450 --> 01:01:36,109
again if you read through it I think

1347
01:01:42,849 --> 01:01:40,460
it's up obviously yeah it was written

1348
01:01:44,109 --> 01:01:42,859
obviously as I least to my eyes the way

1349
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,119
I read it it was something it was

1350
01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:46,640
written as compared to a transcript of

1351
01:01:50,530 --> 01:01:47,900
an actual conversation

1352
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,540
it just doesn't read like any kind of

1353
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:52,640
conversation that any normal person

1354
01:01:57,099 --> 01:01:54,530
would have and that would include

1355
01:01:59,410 --> 01:01:57,109
President Ronald Reagan and William

1356
01:02:01,150 --> 01:01:59,420
Casey and Michael Deaver and some of the

1357
01:02:03,490 --> 01:02:01,160
under other individuals who are

1358
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,500
purportedly at this meeting so there you

1359
01:02:07,809 --> 01:02:05,680
go I'm off my soapbox now Michael and

1360
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:07,819
take it away what do you think about all

1361
01:02:12,370 --> 01:02:10,130
that I'm highly skeptical of this

1362
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:12,380
document the grant says he's got well

1363
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:13,520
I'm sure he's got it but I'm highly

1364
01:02:18,730 --> 01:02:16,160
skeptical of the document yeah yeah well

1365
01:02:20,829 --> 01:02:18,740
you know Frank this is why I called you

1366
01:02:30,220 --> 01:02:20,839
enchant the Bonnie and Clyde of

1367
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,230
paranormal radio material in almost 10

1368
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:32,000
years now it's been a long time since I

1369
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:33,440
dug through this stuff so I really had

1370
01:02:37,210 --> 01:02:35,030
to refresh my memory let me tell you

1371
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:37,220
well that's why you got it at your

1372
01:02:41,859 --> 01:02:38,960
fingertips no matter what it is that's

1373
01:02:43,390 --> 01:02:41,869
that's fantastic and you are one of

1374
01:02:45,730 --> 01:02:43,400
those kind of guys that can get down

1375
01:02:47,980 --> 01:02:45,740
there and come up with the obvious

1376
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:47,990
questions that have to be asked of

1377
01:02:56,410 --> 01:02:51,170
course you know and the whole idea of

1378
01:02:59,740 --> 01:02:56,420
this you know fake documents you know

1379
01:03:01,809 --> 01:02:59,750
the disclosure the the pulling back of

1380
01:03:04,750 --> 01:03:01,819
disclosure is is all plausible

1381
01:03:07,540 --> 01:03:04,760
deniability that's the bottom line

1382
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:07,550
you know there there is a long term

1383
01:03:12,609 --> 01:03:10,490
agenda that has to be made whether

1384
01:03:14,579 --> 01:03:12,619
whether it's uh you know red pelling in

1385
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:14,589
public getting the truth out eventually

1386
01:03:17,950 --> 01:03:17,210
without having to trigger the working

1387
01:03:20,859 --> 01:03:17,960
Institute's

1388
01:03:22,690 --> 01:03:20,869
you know report problems where they've

1389
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:22,700
got where the public could not handle

1390
01:03:28,030 --> 01:03:25,490
you know the thing back in the 60s that

1391
01:03:31,050 --> 01:03:28,040
kind of deal whatever it is whenever

1392
01:03:33,609 --> 01:03:31,060
they do push some information out there

1393
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:33,619
they have to cover it with plausible

1394
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:35,690
deniability well and here is a great

1395
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:36,710
example of that

1396
01:03:42,220 --> 01:03:40,250
we were all agog at least I was when the

1397
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:42,230
New York Times the post and portico came

1398
01:03:46,089 --> 01:03:44,450
out with the article confirming the

1399
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:46,099
existence of UFOs

1400
01:03:55,690 --> 01:03:50,079
you know the ATM program in December of

1401
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,700
2017 so the whole idea was that they

1402
01:03:59,290 --> 01:03:57,440
came up with the thing they kind of

1403
01:04:02,440 --> 01:03:59,300
throw a bunch of stuff out there to the

1404
01:04:04,270 --> 01:04:02,450
public including these videos basically

1405
01:04:05,950 --> 01:04:04,280
which were not very impressive but the

1406
01:04:08,109 --> 01:04:05,960
leaf there were videos you know from gun

1407
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:08,119
camera footage and I will say this

1408
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:09,920
Michael not to interrupt but I gotta

1409
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:11,690
jump in here everything that they've

1410
01:04:15,490 --> 01:04:13,910
released they made it they keep making

1411
01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:15,500
the same faux pas in terms of

1412
01:04:20,050 --> 01:04:17,990
misidentifying visual aids and

1413
01:04:21,490 --> 01:04:20,060
illustrations is legitimate but aside

1414
01:04:23,339 --> 01:04:21,500
from that I mean everything that they

1415
01:04:25,450 --> 01:04:23,349
put out is checked out there is a

1416
01:04:28,109 --> 01:04:25,460
phenomenon regarding the meta materials

1417
01:04:32,170 --> 01:04:28,119
that the case involving the Nimitz is

1418
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:32,180
absolutely legitimate and my good friend

1419
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:33,890
Dave Beatty another young gun and maybe

1420
01:04:37,930 --> 01:04:35,930
the best of us I wouldn't I wouldn't say

1421
01:04:40,210 --> 01:04:37,940
otherwise you might well be the best of

1422
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:40,220
us is turned up more information

1423
01:04:44,589 --> 01:04:42,290
regarding the other two videos and that

1424
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:44,599
they are connected to an incident

1425
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:47,210
regarding the USS Roosevelt on the East

1426
01:04:51,970 --> 01:04:50,210
Coast in 2015 you know yeah you got it

1427
01:04:53,980 --> 01:04:51,980
but what I was trying to get to the

1428
01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:53,990
point of is the fact that they actually

1429
01:04:57,819 --> 01:04:55,369
put this stuff out and then of course

1430
01:04:59,290 --> 01:04:57,829
when the young guns like you guys go out

1431
01:05:01,480 --> 01:04:59,300
there and try to follow up and get the

1432
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:01,490
details and corroborate what they're

1433
01:05:07,390 --> 01:05:04,010
saying the Department of Defense denies

1434
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:07,400
even releasing the videos you know the

1435
01:05:11,710 --> 01:05:09,770
the one of the videos released was a a

1436
01:05:14,180 --> 01:05:11,720
weather balloon you know that kind of

1437
01:05:16,660 --> 01:05:14,190
thing where Tom DeLonge and his GRU

1438
01:05:19,070 --> 01:05:16,670
Kru Jim Sammy man and those guys were

1439
01:05:21,620 --> 01:05:19,080
talking about in their press release so

1440
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,630
they always have mistakes in the

1441
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,240
documentation they always have plausible

1442
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:26,880
deniability a way to pull it back later

1443
01:05:33,110 --> 01:05:30,330
on as they gauge how the public deals

1444
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:33,120
with the information that they throw out

1445
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:35,250
there you're right Frank they do do this

1446
01:05:38,510 --> 01:05:36,330
all the time

1447
01:05:40,970 --> 01:05:38,520
the whole idea of putting on a whole lot

1448
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:40,980
of disinformation and maybe a few

1449
01:05:46,340 --> 01:05:44,010
nuggets of truth out there they do that

1450
01:05:51,020 --> 01:05:46,350
quite often and I think it's a major

1451
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:51,030
program that is happening and it's up to

1452
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:55,110
us you guys to you know sift the wheat

1453
01:05:59,450 --> 01:05:56,970
from the chaff and find out the real

1454
01:06:00,920 --> 01:05:59,460
Nuggets yeah there is some good wheat

1455
01:06:05,050 --> 01:06:00,930
there they have put out some good wheat

1456
01:06:08,180 --> 01:06:05,060
but not a lot and apparently the show is

1457
01:06:11,390 --> 01:06:08,190
going to Perales on dough at the seu

1458
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:11,400
conference last weekend they're gonna

1459
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:12,540
come out with that there they've got

1460
01:06:16,580 --> 01:06:14,010
more military cases they certainly

1461
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:16,590
should a tip was running for five years

1462
01:06:21,140 --> 01:06:19,110
and none of the cases they've openly

1463
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:21,150
discussed took place during the five

1464
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:23,040
years that they were in operation they

1465
01:06:26,810 --> 01:06:24,960
had to have had something come across

1466
01:06:28,430 --> 01:06:26,820
elizondo's desk in that time and

1467
01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:28,440
apparently we're gonna get a little bit

1468
01:06:33,020 --> 01:06:31,260
more information about the meta

1469
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:33,030
materials which is a great deal of

1470
01:06:37,490 --> 01:06:35,010
interest to me but are you hearing

1471
01:06:41,930 --> 01:06:37,500
anything in terms of what we can expect

1472
01:06:44,210 --> 01:06:41,940
from this show you know I I always have

1473
01:06:45,830 --> 01:06:44,220
high hopes of course for these kinds of

1474
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:45,840
things of course the project Bluebook

1475
01:06:50,090 --> 01:06:48,180
thing was pretty doggone awesome I

1476
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:50,100
really enjoyed the first season in of

1477
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:51,570
course it was you know it wasn't like a

1478
01:06:57,980 --> 01:06:54,930
factual kind of like reproduction of the

1479
01:07:02,090 --> 01:06:57,990
stories from Blue Book but at least the

1480
01:07:05,060 --> 01:07:02,100
idea of drum dramatic iron making a

1481
01:07:06,740 --> 01:07:05,070
dramatic series out of actual cases from

1482
01:07:09,260 --> 01:07:06,750
the you know the Air Force's Project

1483
01:07:11,180 --> 01:07:09,270
Blue Book was a great deal to get out to

1484
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:11,190
the public to figure out you know these

1485
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:14,250
things did happen and I'm hoping that

1486
01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:17,850
the to the stars Academy Lewis Elizondo

1487
01:07:23,450 --> 01:07:21,420
his new History Channel show which I

1488
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:23,460
understand is coming out may sometime I

1489
01:07:27,610 --> 01:07:24,960
don't know when I haven't heard the

1490
01:07:30,650 --> 01:07:27,620
actual date sort of a better

1491
01:07:32,210 --> 01:07:30,660
that's what I'm hoping that you know the

1492
01:07:34,310 --> 01:07:32,220
first part of May we might be able to

1493
01:07:36,050 --> 01:07:34,320
get some some details and what its gonna

1494
01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:36,060
be released and it's interesting that

1495
01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:38,940
this the History Channel again history

1496
01:07:44,420 --> 01:07:41,940
is you know seems to be tied in with

1497
01:07:48,290 --> 01:07:44,430
this whole idea of disclosure somehow I

1498
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:48,300
I think what our hard core your follow G

1499
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:50,010
community is going to be probably let

1500
01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:52,050
down a little bit you know with what

1501
01:07:57,350 --> 01:07:54,420
they are going to disclose but if they

1502
01:07:59,780 --> 01:07:57,360
even get into one of the issues of the

1503
01:08:02,480 --> 01:07:59,790
metamaterials not being not having

1504
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:02,490
isotopic ratios that are created in this

1505
01:08:06,770 --> 01:08:05,370
solar system that right there is going

1506
01:08:08,660 --> 01:08:06,780
to be one of those things you're going

1507
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:08,670
to have to start up you're gonna have to

1508
01:08:12,290 --> 01:08:10,650
ask a lot of interesting hard questions

1509
01:08:15,620 --> 01:08:12,300
after those kinds of things that they're

1510
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:15,630
gonna get that detailed I hope they do

1511
01:08:20,090 --> 01:08:17,370
go deep on the science so whatever

1512
01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:20,100
they've got I know it I don't know how

1513
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:22,470
much the to the Stars Academy is looking

1514
01:08:26,990 --> 01:08:24,690
to get published I know that Jacques de

1515
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:27,000
Molay and Gary Nolan also have some

1516
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:28,500
materials in their hands that they're

1517
01:08:34,220 --> 01:08:30,900
taking a look at and from interviewing

1518
01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:34,230
dr. Nolan late last year or not last

1519
01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:36,120
year but the year very late the year

1520
01:08:39,499 --> 01:08:38,100
before last I can tell you they want to

1521
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:39,509
get they want to get published well the

1522
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:42,089
TTS a cares that much about that I know

1523
01:08:45,740 --> 01:08:44,310
I hear from some people well dr. Hal put

1524
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:45,750
off definitely wants to get published

1525
01:08:49,999 --> 01:08:48,089
but I don't know well we'll have to see

1526
01:08:51,380 --> 01:08:50,009
that it's we're getting to the point now

1527
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:51,390
where the proof is in the pudding let's

1528
01:08:57,980 --> 01:08:54,210
see what they got yeah and you know I I

1529
01:08:59,360 --> 01:08:57,990
did hear by the way that Project Blue

1530
01:09:00,860 --> 01:08:59,370
Book just announced there isn't going to

1531
01:09:04,099 --> 01:09:00,870
be a second season so I heard that

1532
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,109
yesterday yep yeah so that'll be nice to

1533
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:06,480
actually see how how they do the second

1534
01:09:09,769 --> 01:09:08,130
season compared to the first season and

1535
01:09:12,620 --> 01:09:09,779
if they get into some of the more

1536
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:12,630
controversial cases you know on the

1537
01:09:18,769 --> 01:09:15,359
whole project ten shows they just try to

1538
01:09:20,749 --> 01:09:18,779
scratch the surface oh yeah I will say

1539
01:09:22,519 --> 01:09:20,759
this though you have a big article about

1540
01:09:25,249 --> 01:09:22,529
a meeting that that was held in the

1541
01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:25,259
White House about the dc50 so I got a

1542
01:09:29,300 --> 01:09:27,150
nice little bump on hits people must

1543
01:09:31,190 --> 01:09:29,310
have been searching that down and came

1544
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:31,200
across that as a result of a that was so

1545
01:09:34,610 --> 01:09:32,940
that was good so I think that that got a

1546
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:34,620
little bit extra traffic because that

1547
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:39,060
was cool oh yeah oh yeah no it's it's

1548
01:09:41,329 --> 01:09:40,650
fascinating that these things like a

1549
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:41,339
mint

1550
01:09:45,499 --> 01:09:42,960
earlier these things seem to be coming

1551
01:09:47,689 --> 01:09:45,509
down the road so quickly right now you

1552
01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:47,699
know the fact that you've got these

1553
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:49,980
kinds of things I mean this 8 tip

1554
01:09:55,129 --> 01:09:53,279
program this to the Stars Academy these

1555
01:09:59,560 --> 01:09:55,139
are the guys who actually came out and

1556
01:10:01,939 --> 01:09:59,570
said oh yeah guess what UFOs exist and

1557
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:01,949
we're studying them you know try to

1558
01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:03,570
figure what they are that kind of thing

1559
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:06,300
I mean that was a huge major thing that

1560
01:10:12,979 --> 01:10:09,840
happened here in in our time they were

1561
01:10:15,709 --> 01:10:12,989
living so I'm wondering but the rest of

1562
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,719
this though yeah yeah they're still kind

1563
01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:17,040
of tap dancing around this though

1564
01:10:21,859 --> 01:10:19,020
Michael and I think you'll agree with me

1565
01:10:23,180 --> 01:10:21,869
they're saying UFOs are real well isn't

1566
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:23,190
what they really mean and they're

1567
01:10:27,229 --> 01:10:25,050
they're not willing to come out and say

1568
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:27,239
it that some UFOs are et I mean that's

1569
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:28,110
what really what we're talking about

1570
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:28,500
here

1571
01:10:32,959 --> 01:10:30,210
we know UFOs are real just as a

1572
01:10:35,450 --> 01:10:32,969
phenomenon they get reported people see

1573
01:10:37,490 --> 01:10:35,460
things they can't identify that almost

1574
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:37,500
by definition is not identified flying

1575
01:10:41,060 --> 01:10:40,380
object but that some UFOs are et isn't

1576
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:41,070
that isn't that what we're really

1577
01:10:46,339 --> 01:10:43,800
talking about here yeah you got it I

1578
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:46,349
mean that was the monumental thing that

1579
01:10:51,260 --> 01:10:48,570
they did was they actually disclosed the

1580
01:10:54,620 --> 01:10:51,270
fact that UFOs or UAP as they called

1581
01:10:57,050 --> 01:10:54,630
them existed so when you do that then

1582
01:10:58,339 --> 01:10:57,060
the next step is well who the heck is

1583
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,349
flying them you know where are they

1584
01:11:02,180 --> 01:11:00,719
coming from so that's exactly what

1585
01:11:09,290 --> 01:11:02,190
you're talking about Frank some of them

1586
01:11:12,020 --> 01:11:09,300
have got to be extraterrestrial yeah I

1587
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:12,030
just wanted to jump in here the idea of

1588
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:14,010
a government government's government

1589
01:11:19,879 --> 01:11:15,810
cover-up is not really that much of a

1590
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:19,889
stretch for a lot of people I also

1591
01:11:26,089 --> 01:11:22,710
wanted to mention that Stanton Friedman

1592
01:11:29,540 --> 01:11:26,099
who you know very well regarding his

1593
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:29,550
history and just for our listeners I

1594
01:11:32,930 --> 01:11:31,110
mentioned who he is I'm sure everybody

1595
01:11:35,149 --> 01:11:32,940
knows but I'll mention it anyway he's a

1596
01:11:37,339 --> 01:11:35,159
retired nuclear physicist and a

1597
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:37,349
professional you apologist he's from

1598
01:11:42,020 --> 01:11:39,540
Canada and he's the original civilian

1599
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:42,030
investigator of the Roswell incident the

1600
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:46,650
Betty and Barney Hill and his the Betty

1601
01:11:52,430 --> 01:11:50,090
and Barney Hill case and so much more

1602
01:11:54,660 --> 01:11:52,440
Stan Freedman actually on Stanton

1603
01:11:57,150 --> 01:11:54,670
Friedman calm everybody I

1604
01:11:59,340 --> 01:11:57,160
really recommend you go there to look up

1605
01:12:02,160 --> 01:11:59,350
the update on operation majestic 12

1606
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:02,170
documents which is a four-page essay he

1607
01:12:07,709 --> 01:12:05,170
wrote extremely comprehensive I don't

1608
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:07,719
know if he could have got more

1609
01:12:12,300 --> 01:12:09,610
comprehensive it's like a scientific

1610
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:12,310
analysis it's like it's like a forensic

1611
01:12:18,180 --> 01:12:15,910
audit of these documents Stanton his own

1612
01:12:20,610 --> 01:12:18,190
record is liking a as some of them yes

1613
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:20,620
some of them he doesn't like some of

1614
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:22,690
them he does myself I don't like any of

1615
01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:29,220
Frank's right on that Stanton with the

1616
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,030
exception of a few documents feels like

1617
01:12:37,709 --> 01:12:33,520
these documents are bogus but I did want

1618
01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:37,719
to ask Michael do you feel like Stan

1619
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:40,199
Friedman had a point about those

1620
01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:43,920
original so-called bogus mj-12 documents

1621
01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:47,790
regarding how he feels about them oh

1622
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:52,030
yeah I mean you know we have a living

1623
01:12:57,630 --> 01:12:54,850
legend you know amongst us still alive

1624
01:13:00,090 --> 01:12:57,640
Stanton Friedman and all the things that

1625
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:00,100
he has done during his career to get

1626
01:13:03,810 --> 01:13:02,290
down matter of fact you know in the old

1627
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:03,820
days he would have been the The

1628
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:05,770
Godfather of the young guns let's put it

1629
01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:07,210
that way as far as getting to the

1630
01:13:12,330 --> 01:13:09,820
details and the research that he went

1631
01:13:14,220 --> 01:13:12,340
through to find out you know yeah he was

1632
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:14,230
obviously very skeptical when he first

1633
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:16,449
started out with this whole idea of the

1634
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:20,110
mj-12 incident and those are the kinds

1635
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:22,000
of things that we needed during that

1636
01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:24,610
period of time when you know there was

1637
01:13:28,979 --> 01:13:26,590
all sorts of rumors flying around and

1638
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:28,989
you know we're just coming out of well

1639
01:13:34,140 --> 01:13:31,449
in the 80s you know people were you know

1640
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:34,150
well before the computers and an

1641
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:35,770
internet and all that kind of stuff so

1642
01:13:41,070 --> 01:13:37,810
people are still reading pulp fiction

1643
01:13:42,540 --> 01:13:41,080
novels and fate magazines and all those

1644
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:42,550
kinds of things to find out their news

1645
01:13:48,300 --> 01:13:45,370
on the paranormal and Stanton Friedman

1646
01:13:50,220 --> 01:13:48,310
goes in there and says well let's just

1647
01:13:51,090 --> 01:13:50,230
see what's the reality here in this

1648
01:13:53,459 --> 01:13:51,100
situation

1649
01:13:56,430 --> 01:13:53,469
he also theorizes that government has

1650
01:13:58,860 --> 01:13:56,440
recovered crashed UFOs how do you feel

1651
01:14:02,760 --> 01:13:58,870
about the possibility of crashed UFOs

1652
01:14:04,979 --> 01:14:02,770
and ETS within the the hands of the

1653
01:14:06,029 --> 01:14:04,989
government so to speak do you feel that

1654
01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:06,039
that's happened

1655
01:14:11,759 --> 01:14:09,369
oh yeah okay okay okay and then also I

1656
01:14:15,660 --> 01:14:11,769
would like to know about the reversal of

1657
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:15,670
their technology their being ETS and

1658
01:14:21,629 --> 01:14:17,650
also I'd like to add the disclaimer I

1659
01:14:23,819 --> 01:14:21,639
personally feel there are countless

1660
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:23,829
types of extraterrestrial civilizations

1661
01:14:29,700 --> 01:14:27,250
out there but back to my question do you

1662
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:29,710
feel that any government first world

1663
01:14:35,790 --> 01:14:33,130
government or not is in possession of ET

1664
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:35,800
technology and the part two to my

1665
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:38,530
question is are they actively right now

1666
01:14:44,700 --> 01:14:41,199
in the process of reverse engineering

1667
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:44,710
the technology to their benefit or

1668
01:14:51,089 --> 01:14:48,250
worldwide benefit or whatever well yes

1669
01:14:53,069 --> 01:14:51,099
that's exactly what I believe and you

1670
01:14:54,839 --> 01:14:53,079
know of course we've all been studying

1671
01:14:57,740 --> 01:14:54,849
this field for a long time we've all had

1672
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:57,750
that inkling you know over the

1673
01:15:02,370 --> 01:14:59,920
generations the decades at least that

1674
01:15:06,270 --> 01:15:02,380
I've been into this that you know all

1675
01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:06,280
the advances of scientific you know the

1676
01:15:12,750 --> 01:15:09,190
community and the technology that we

1677
01:15:15,149 --> 01:15:12,760
have all the information that we can you

1678
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:15,159
know keep compressing down to smaller

1679
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,170
and smaller storage units and those

1680
01:15:21,359 --> 01:15:19,360
kinds of things it just goes to you

1681
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:21,369
think that there's got to be some

1682
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:24,489
impetus some outside help in that regard

1683
01:15:30,540 --> 01:15:27,250
to get here so quickly when you look at

1684
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:30,550
like the bell curve of our society in

1685
01:15:35,220 --> 01:15:33,730
technology so it doesn't it doesn't

1686
01:15:37,649 --> 01:15:35,230
explain it to me that we're all just

1687
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:37,659
learning this hundred monkey kind of

1688
01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:40,000
thing as we go I think there's some

1689
01:15:44,549 --> 01:15:42,550
direction to it okay and then also I

1690
01:15:48,990 --> 01:15:44,559
think the public's a little tired of the

1691
01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:49,000
backpedaling regarding certain subjects

1692
01:15:55,020 --> 01:15:51,070
alike I'll give an example the Roswell

1693
01:15:57,930 --> 01:15:55,030
crash where supposedly an an

1694
01:16:01,020 --> 01:15:57,940
extraterrestrial crash-landed or rather

1695
01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:01,030
crashed in Corona New Mexico and then

1696
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:02,590
the government went ahead and created

1697
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,880
some story about balloons what I was

1698
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:08,800
going to ask you is is there really

1699
01:16:13,950 --> 01:16:10,690
going to be a big reveal by any

1700
01:16:16,740 --> 01:16:13,960
government around the world regarding et

1701
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:16,750
civilizations making contact or

1702
01:16:22,750 --> 01:16:18,290
traveling to our planet

1703
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:22,760
and also if not is part of that big

1704
01:16:26,620 --> 01:16:24,770
reveal or do we have to rely on the big

1705
01:16:29,220 --> 01:16:26,630
reveal through people like Greg Cameron

1706
01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:29,230
with these kind of documents

1707
01:16:34,620 --> 01:16:32,510
well my bottom line feeling is that

1708
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:34,630
we're not going to get the big reveal

1709
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:39,530
unless it is in the in the deep state's

1710
01:16:45,010 --> 01:16:42,890
best interest to do that oh okay I mean

1711
01:16:47,250 --> 01:16:45,020
that the real bottom line is is that I

1712
01:16:50,770 --> 01:16:47,260
think that this is coming down the road

1713
01:16:53,890 --> 01:16:50,780
and being forced upon the powers that be

1714
01:16:56,140 --> 01:16:53,900
to disclose this information and I think

1715
01:16:58,600 --> 01:16:56,150
they're panicking at this moment and

1716
01:17:02,020 --> 01:16:58,610
needing to get ahead of the spin they

1717
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,030
need to figure out how are they going to

1718
01:17:07,900 --> 01:17:04,400
survive and their control mechanism

1719
01:17:09,250 --> 01:17:07,910
after this information is released don't

1720
01:17:10,590 --> 01:17:09,260
know when it's going to happen but I get

1721
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:10,600
the feeling is happening very quickly

1722
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:13,970
but they are scrambling to figure out

1723
01:17:17,530 --> 01:17:16,010
how there can is stay in control once

1724
01:17:20,290 --> 01:17:17,540
the information is out there of course

1725
01:17:22,210 --> 01:17:20,300
one of the programs is they even evil

1726
01:17:24,820 --> 01:17:22,220
alien kind of agenda where you know we

1727
01:17:27,070 --> 01:17:24,830
have to you know have all this extra

1728
01:17:28,990 --> 01:17:27,080
money to do studies and get you know

1729
01:17:31,060 --> 01:17:29,000
some kind of defense out there to these

1730
01:17:32,770 --> 01:17:31,070
things that are gonna be coming down

1731
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:32,780
that's one of the spins that could be

1732
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:35,840
happening okay and then I also wanted to

1733
01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:40,250
ask you after poring over these

1734
01:17:49,450 --> 01:17:46,940
sensitive documents that Grant has do

1735
01:17:52,900 --> 01:17:49,460
you feel that you are able to figure out

1736
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:52,910
who the possible planetory planetary

1737
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:56,000
ambassador could be in other words I

1738
01:18:00,250 --> 01:17:57,650
know it's a wild question but we are

1739
01:18:03,610 --> 01:18:00,260
talking about a well topic do these

1740
01:18:07,780 --> 01:18:03,620
documents indicate who is going to lead

1741
01:18:11,530 --> 01:18:07,790
our world or or represent our world to

1742
01:18:17,070 --> 01:18:11,540
to to the ETS very fascinating question

1743
01:18:20,820 --> 01:18:17,080
yes these documents do not say that no

1744
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:20,830
but it sure does bring up the idea that

1745
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:23,360
okay let's just assume the whole thing

1746
01:18:29,540 --> 01:18:25,370
is blown wide open and yeah they've got

1747
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:29,550
to realize that this is going on

1748
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:31,530
there are alien races visiting the

1749
01:18:38,150 --> 01:18:33,810
planet probably more than one probably

1750
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:38,160
many who do we elect or who do we put

1751
01:18:42,980 --> 01:18:40,410
together as some kind of representative

1752
01:18:44,510 --> 01:18:42,990
of the entire planet in dealing with

1753
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:44,520
this whether there's a treaty that

1754
01:18:48,860 --> 01:18:46,410
treaty that has to be drawn up there was

1755
01:18:51,650 --> 01:18:48,870
some kind of a you know ongoing

1756
01:18:53,420 --> 01:18:51,660
relationship that's going to be very

1757
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:53,430
fascinating of course Ronald Reagan made

1758
01:18:59,060 --> 01:18:55,770
that famous speech about the whole idea

1759
01:19:00,560 --> 01:18:59,070
that he thought at the UN that we would

1760
01:19:02,780 --> 01:19:00,570
all come together at one point if we

1761
01:19:06,380 --> 01:19:02,790
realized there was some threat you know

1762
01:19:08,300 --> 01:19:06,390
to our society on the planet but I don't

1763
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:08,310
know that's going to be a very

1764
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:12,810
interesting process to go through if if

1765
01:19:16,580 --> 01:19:14,010
it when that happens

1766
01:19:18,650 --> 01:19:16,590
okay I also have some more questions and

1767
01:19:24,140 --> 01:19:18,660
that is there are many different kinds

1768
01:19:26,110 --> 01:19:24,150
of UF ologists two different kinds I'd

1769
01:19:28,780 --> 01:19:26,120
like to mention our ancient astronaut

1770
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:28,790
through the ancient astronaut theory

1771
01:19:35,570 --> 01:19:32,880
theory and then also another kind which

1772
01:19:38,300 --> 01:19:35,580
is it's a sort of futurist eerie about

1773
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:38,310
aliens coming from the future regarding

1774
01:19:44,210 --> 01:19:41,310
these new mj-12 documents if that's how

1775
01:19:48,590 --> 01:19:44,220
we're terming them after you read them

1776
01:19:52,730 --> 01:19:48,600
are there any indications of an ancient

1777
01:19:57,530 --> 01:19:52,740
astronaut like aspect to these documents

1778
01:20:00,530 --> 01:19:57,540
or aliens from the future a type aspect

1779
01:20:05,150 --> 01:20:00,540
at all indicated or could be gleaned

1780
01:20:07,250 --> 01:20:05,160
from these documents yes there can what

1781
01:20:11,150 --> 01:20:07,260
are most astonishing things that I

1782
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:11,160
gleaned from the document itself okay I

1783
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:13,440
just want to inject I do want to let you

1784
01:20:19,100 --> 01:20:16,650
talk but which theory okay well I was

1785
01:20:24,050 --> 01:20:19,110
just going to explain to you okay there

1786
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:24,060
is confirmation I would say conversation

1787
01:20:32,770 --> 01:20:26,960
at least okay in this document about the

1788
01:20:37,190 --> 01:20:32,780
US government having obtained an actual

1789
01:20:40,220 --> 01:20:37,200
intergalactic craft okay that can travel

1790
01:20:43,069 --> 01:20:40,230
through space of course in our

1791
01:20:46,459 --> 01:20:43,079
atmosphere and underwater

1792
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:46,469
and it also mentions the idea of this

1793
01:20:53,180 --> 01:20:48,449
thing potentially traveling through

1794
01:20:55,490 --> 01:20:53,190
dimensions of time so you know it brings

1795
01:20:58,640 --> 01:20:55,500
back the jock valet thing where you know

1796
01:21:01,790 --> 01:20:58,650
he would be very shocked he said way

1797
01:21:04,609 --> 01:21:01,800
back in the 70s that if this thing turns

1798
01:21:07,459 --> 01:21:04,619
out to be just extraterrestrial he would

1799
01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:07,469
be very disappointed so this document

1800
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:10,679
actually opens that door cracks open

1801
01:21:19,209 --> 01:21:14,610
that door about the idea that other

1802
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:19,219
dimensions are potentially a reality and

1803
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:23,130
ETS have the ability to do that so you

1804
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:25,199
know it brings though open the whole

1805
01:21:29,419 --> 01:21:26,880
idea of it are these coming from our

1806
01:21:30,830 --> 01:21:29,429
future are they coming you know to visit

1807
01:21:34,339 --> 01:21:30,840
us you know and those kinds of things

1808
01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:34,349
from a different dimension that that is

1809
01:21:38,510 --> 01:21:36,840
one of the more mind-blowing things in

1810
01:21:41,299 --> 01:21:38,520
this document that I'm still mulling

1811
01:21:46,549 --> 01:21:41,309
over my mind okay and then with regards

1812
01:21:49,370 --> 01:21:46,559
to Science and Technology and any other

1813
01:21:52,060 --> 01:21:49,380
subjects you can bring up under the

1814
01:21:56,299 --> 01:21:52,070
umbrella of my question I wanted to know

1815
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:56,309
do these documents if we can determine

1816
01:22:02,839 --> 01:21:59,040
they're authentic would they change the

1817
01:22:05,899 --> 01:22:02,849
face of those topics in other words can

1818
01:22:11,450 --> 01:22:05,909
they also cause science to blow wide

1819
01:22:15,339 --> 01:22:11,460
open and bring in new types of studies

1820
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:15,349
regarding science or even a whole new a

1821
01:22:19,870 --> 01:22:18,000
whole new category of science or

1822
01:22:24,530 --> 01:22:19,880
technology

1823
01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:24,540
yes exactly gent matter of fact there is

1824
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:28,070
information in these documents that is

1825
01:22:33,859 --> 01:22:31,170
kind of startling to me because there is

1826
01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:33,869
an indication that these reverse

1827
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:36,840
engineering programs that are being run

1828
01:22:43,689 --> 01:22:39,690
by contractors by the way for the

1829
01:22:46,250 --> 01:22:43,699
government don't have any oversight

1830
01:22:48,740 --> 01:22:46,260
congressional military or otherwise

1831
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:48,750
they're doing their own thing probably

1832
01:22:52,700 --> 01:22:50,400
doing the best they possibly can to

1833
01:22:54,260 --> 01:22:52,710
reverse-engineer these

1834
01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:54,270
craft and technology that they

1835
01:23:01,190 --> 01:22:57,960
supposedly have in their own possession

1836
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:01,200
they are having a very difficult time to

1837
01:23:07,010 --> 01:23:04,320
do this they do not have all the

1838
01:23:08,990 --> 01:23:07,020
resources that they probably need from

1839
01:23:11,180 --> 01:23:09,000
the general scientific community because

1840
01:23:14,630 --> 01:23:11,190
they're only dealing with subcontractors

1841
01:23:17,780 --> 01:23:14,640
and employees and scientists that they

1842
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:17,790
can vet and you know keep security

1843
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:21,330
clearance on and probably the next step

1844
01:23:26,300 --> 01:23:24,090
would be that if they can use the full

1845
01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:26,310
strength the scientific community on

1846
01:23:28,700 --> 01:23:28,260
trying to figure out how this stuff

1847
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:28,710
works

1848
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:32,489
that would massively open the door for

1849
01:23:40,220 --> 01:23:34,560
scientific endeavors that we've never

1850
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:40,230
had before and that we are in in need of

1851
01:23:45,050 --> 01:23:43,170
as far as the cooperation amongst that

1852
01:23:46,970 --> 01:23:45,060
community to figure out what's going on

1853
01:23:49,010 --> 01:23:46,980
I get the feeling that they don't quite

1854
01:23:51,260 --> 01:23:49,020
they're kind of stumped they need the

1855
01:23:52,940 --> 01:23:51,270
help from the rest of the scientists out

1856
01:23:56,500 --> 01:23:52,950
there to figure out what really is going

1857
01:24:01,580 --> 01:23:56,510
to happen here in their investigations

1858
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:01,590
okay the mj-12 documents brought forward

1859
01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:03,570
by Jamie and Aaron William Moore they

1860
01:24:08,930 --> 01:24:05,910
brought about a circular discussion for

1861
01:24:11,180 --> 01:24:08,940
years whether these mj-12 documents were

1862
01:24:14,180 --> 01:24:11,190
authentic or not and of course as we've

1863
01:24:16,190 --> 01:24:14,190
already covered Stan Freedman jumped

1864
01:24:19,729 --> 01:24:16,200
into it to find out whether these

1865
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:19,739
documents were authentic or not and the

1866
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:21,570
people that were unknown just your

1867
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:23,310
average Joe wanted to know more about

1868
01:24:28,190 --> 01:24:25,890
these documents still brought about a

1869
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,200
circular discussion at times whether the

1870
01:24:33,140 --> 01:24:30,480
docs were real or not what I want to

1871
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:33,150
know is will these documents that Grant

1872
01:24:38,780 --> 01:24:36,450
Cameron has bring about yet another

1873
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:38,790
circular discussion whether they're

1874
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:41,100
authentic or not for years are we going

1875
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:44,880
to be stuck with that well I I would

1876
01:24:50,500 --> 01:24:47,850
assume that it would be definitely a

1877
01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:50,510
circular discussion I'm not hope I'm not

1878
01:24:56,030 --> 01:24:53,310
saying it's gonna be for years but

1879
01:24:58,520 --> 01:24:56,040
that's exactly what that's exactly what

1880
01:25:00,590 --> 01:24:58,530
the ufology community does they think

1881
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:00,600
think mole things over they you know

1882
01:25:04,970 --> 01:25:03,210
chew it up and spit it out and they

1883
01:25:05,930 --> 01:25:04,980
eventually get down to the bottom line

1884
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:05,940
of this stuff so

1885
01:25:09,290 --> 01:25:07,199
I'm sure that there's going to be a

1886
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:09,300
whole lot of circular conversations

1887
01:25:16,729 --> 01:25:12,170
going on okay but I believe it's gonna

1888
01:25:19,670 --> 01:25:16,739
push forward the actual conversation to

1889
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:19,680
a wider range of people and hopefully

1890
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:21,810
the public as well how will these

1891
01:25:29,450 --> 01:25:25,920
documents affect national policy well

1892
01:25:31,850 --> 01:25:29,460
you know there's there's one thing when

1893
01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:31,860
we talk about national policy as far as

1894
01:25:38,689 --> 01:25:36,900
our demographic democratic process where

1895
01:25:40,670 --> 01:25:38,699
the people are involved you know what we

1896
01:25:42,020 --> 01:25:40,680
want to have done and then there's

1897
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:42,030
another thing when you're talking about

1898
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:44,610
the the national policy of the deep

1899
01:25:50,830 --> 01:25:47,130
state and those kind of folks who want

1900
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:50,840
to maintain their control through

1901
01:25:58,100 --> 01:25:53,489
elected officials as they come and go

1902
01:26:00,740 --> 01:25:58,110
and either the long term range so I have

1903
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:00,750
a feeling that even the deep state folks

1904
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:05,760
who are entrenched in their in their

1905
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:08,520
power are still now trying to figure out

1906
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:11,130
how they are going to deal with the

1907
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:13,920
reality of the truth of what's coming

1908
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:17,760
out because if indeed what we are

1909
01:26:23,450 --> 01:26:21,120
suspecting is going to happen they are

1910
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,460
gonna have to reposition themselves at

1911
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,440
one point to try to figure out how

1912
01:26:30,110 --> 01:26:27,600
they're gonna stay in control religion

1913
01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:30,120
for centuries has left nothing to chance

1914
01:26:36,020 --> 01:26:34,260
for their believers and there's

1915
01:26:39,410 --> 01:26:36,030
different kinds of religions there's

1916
01:26:41,689 --> 01:26:39,420
that involved faith healers or folks who

1917
01:26:45,740 --> 01:26:41,699
just go to church to listen to the

1918
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:45,750
leader of it talking about oh what they

1919
01:26:49,580 --> 01:26:47,850
believe in what I was going to ask you

1920
01:26:51,410 --> 01:26:49,590
is is this going to change religion

1921
01:26:56,660 --> 01:26:51,420
where folks are going to want to turn to

1922
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:56,670
prayer and their faith in order to brush

1923
01:27:03,380 --> 01:27:00,480
off these documents to disavow them well

1924
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:03,390
you know you're talking to a past vice

1925
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:05,010
president of the Puget Sound Christian

1926
01:27:08,300 --> 01:27:06,960
College for a few quite a few years so I

1927
01:27:12,500 --> 01:27:08,310
know exactly what you're talking about

1928
01:27:15,169 --> 01:27:12,510
when people have faith and you know what

1929
01:27:17,780 --> 01:27:15,179
it's going to do and as I don't know if

1930
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:17,790
you know but the reality of the fact

1931
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:20,010
that the church out there is the wind

1932
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:22,290
lling it's having a very difficult time

1933
01:27:29,420 --> 01:27:25,650
right now anyway with people coming up

1934
01:27:31,220 --> 01:27:29,430
with a different version of reality than

1935
01:27:33,650 --> 01:27:31,230
what they've been taught you know in our

1936
01:27:37,820 --> 01:27:33,660
some of our sacred scriptures but there

1937
01:27:39,710 --> 01:27:37,830
are many religious organizations that

1938
01:27:42,530 --> 01:27:39,720
are planning ahead for this kind of so

1939
01:27:46,700 --> 01:27:42,540
there's no no mistake that the Vatican

1940
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:46,710
has its own you know massive telescopes

1941
01:27:52,250 --> 01:27:49,860
you know searching the skies down in the

1942
01:27:55,220 --> 01:27:52,260
southern part of the world and many

1943
01:27:57,230 --> 01:27:55,230
other organizations are well in advance

1944
01:28:01,370 --> 01:27:57,240
of the whole idea that extraterrestrials

1945
01:28:05,300 --> 01:28:01,380
could could exist and visit the planet

1946
01:28:08,570 --> 01:28:05,310
and still maintain their role as far as

1947
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:08,580
the religious community but I think it's

1948
01:28:12,650 --> 01:28:10,110
going to it is interesting

1949
01:28:18,500 --> 01:28:12,660
there's going to definitely be some kind

1950
01:28:22,910 --> 01:28:18,510
of more evolved consciousness level

1951
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:22,920
involved with the reality of who is God

1952
01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:25,410
and the source of all things it's going

1953
01:28:32,230 --> 01:28:28,110
to be very much medicine science that

1954
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:32,240
technology have all brought gifts and

1955
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:35,760
curses to the world advances that have

1956
01:28:42,110 --> 01:28:39,110
helped humanity to nuclear destruction

1957
01:28:44,260 --> 01:28:42,120
what I was going to ask you is although

1958
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:44,270
that's a heavy statement to make

1959
01:28:52,130 --> 01:28:46,800
regarding these documents are they a

1960
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:52,140
gift to the world or curse well you know

1961
01:28:56,300 --> 01:28:54,090
I think Grant Cameron would say they're

1962
01:28:58,970 --> 01:28:56,310
they're neither their information and

1963
01:29:02,260 --> 01:28:58,980
it's going to be up to us do with the

1964
01:29:07,150 --> 01:29:02,270
information what we what we will do and

1965
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:07,160
you know whole idea that any new truth

1966
01:29:13,810 --> 01:29:09,840
can be spun you know one way or another

1967
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:13,820
the whole idea of evil aliens and

1968
01:29:20,810 --> 01:29:18,000
demonic activity or angels and guardians

1969
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:20,820
of our souls and those kinds of things

1970
01:29:25,940 --> 01:29:23,010
are always the duality that we have to

1971
01:29:28,180 --> 01:29:25,950
deal with but I think it's going to be

1972
01:29:29,770 --> 01:29:28,190
very interesting on how we deal with

1973
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:29,780
and when you talk about the younger

1974
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:33,530
generations you know the people that are

1975
01:29:39,540 --> 01:29:37,040
pretty much having not a hard time with

1976
01:29:41,950 --> 01:29:39,550
dealing with these kinds of things

1977
01:29:45,100 --> 01:29:41,960
in many ways I think they're way ahead

1978
01:29:48,730 --> 01:29:45,110
of us as far as incorporating this new

1979
01:29:51,190 --> 01:29:48,740
paradigm into their own lives where you

1980
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:51,200
know the older folks my baby boomer

1981
01:29:55,210 --> 01:29:52,970
generation are having a difficult time

1982
01:29:57,490 --> 01:29:55,220
and will have a difficult time for a

1983
01:29:59,740 --> 01:29:57,500
while yeah my going I want to get that

1984
01:30:02,980 --> 01:29:59,750
back to one thing yeah we've got a

1985
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:02,990
question in the chat and we kind of

1986
01:30:08,230 --> 01:30:05,360
glossed over it earlier but tell us all

1987
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:08,240
about the UFO IT how did it come about

1988
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:10,250
who's involved we had a picture of the

1989
01:30:14,650 --> 01:30:12,410
the Dirty Dozen it looks like up there

1990
01:30:16,900 --> 01:30:14,660
for a while not quite as big as MUFON so

1991
01:30:19,930 --> 01:30:16,910
you don't have quite so many management

1992
01:30:21,130 --> 01:30:19,940
headaches as Porgy and Harrison but tell

1993
01:30:23,620 --> 01:30:21,140
us all about the crew you've got

1994
01:30:26,500 --> 01:30:23,630
together and what you guys do oh thanks

1995
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:26,510
so much yeah we we've got a group of you

1996
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:29,330
know 1215 individuals you know that have

1997
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:32,170
a very interesting highly educated

1998
01:30:38,260 --> 01:30:36,050
background some of them are PhD levels

1999
01:30:43,060 --> 01:30:38,270
some of the graduate you know master's

2000
01:30:45,250 --> 01:30:43,070
degrees and have very interesting things

2001
01:30:49,260 --> 01:30:45,260
they bring to the table all interested

2002
01:30:54,340 --> 01:30:49,270
in UFOs the paranormal Bigfoot cryptids

2003
01:30:57,130 --> 01:30:54,350
and anything to do with unexplained at

2004
01:30:59,880 --> 01:30:57,140
this point so it's not just UFOs but we

2005
01:31:04,150 --> 01:30:59,890
do call ourselves the UFO I team I

2006
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:04,160
meaning investigation team and we were

2007
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:06,410
just a bunch of folks that go out and

2008
01:31:11,050 --> 01:31:08,570
investigate we go to a UFO and

2009
01:31:14,530 --> 01:31:11,060
paranormal hotspots we carry on

2010
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:14,540
investigations and we bring in all sorts

2011
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:16,880
of interesting scientific gear and

2012
01:31:24,820 --> 01:31:20,000
camera equipment and try to record on

2013
01:31:27,550 --> 01:31:24,830
tape what we can find and prove so it's

2014
01:31:29,190 --> 01:31:27,560
just been a blast I'm 66 years old and

2015
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:29,200
just having the time of my life

2016
01:31:36,460 --> 01:31:33,170
semi-retired but being able to pursue

2017
01:31:38,890 --> 01:31:36,470
what I really have been enjoying you

2018
01:31:41,650 --> 01:31:38,900
know during my lifetime so we're we're

2019
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:41,660
having fun we've got many things

2020
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:43,970
on the docket for the coming spring and

2021
01:31:48,700 --> 01:31:46,370
summer and some of our investigations

2022
01:31:53,350 --> 01:31:48,710
have been very fruitful in the past so

2023
01:31:55,660 --> 01:31:53,360
it's going to look forward to it yeah

2024
01:31:57,610 --> 01:31:55,670
I'm so sorry to interrupt you apologize

2025
01:32:00,520 --> 01:31:57,620
I I'm really excited about though

2026
01:32:02,500 --> 01:32:00,530
because you were talking you mentioned

2027
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:02,510
earlier to me today about the Mount

2028
01:32:06,820 --> 01:32:05,690
Baker Washington area the Mount Adams

2029
01:32:08,890 --> 01:32:06,830
incident

2030
01:32:11,220 --> 01:32:08,900
do you mind covering a little bit about

2031
01:32:15,130 --> 01:32:11,230
that regarding your UFO i-team's

2032
01:32:17,500 --> 01:32:15,140
investigations oh yeah man let's do that

2033
01:32:18,820 --> 01:32:17,510
let's do one thing about Mount Baker and

2034
01:32:21,460 --> 01:32:18,830
then I'll jump down the Mount Adams

2035
01:32:24,010 --> 01:32:21,470
which are a two desperate parts of the

2036
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:24,020
state one is up north there Mount Baker

2037
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:26,050
almost to the Canadian border

2038
01:32:31,390 --> 01:32:28,490
very quickly we go up there pretty much

2039
01:32:35,500 --> 01:32:31,400
every summer and have a Safari of 3 or 4

2040
01:32:38,110 --> 01:32:35,510
days and we there's a there's a group of

2041
01:32:40,510 --> 01:32:38,120
mountains actually there next to Mount

2042
01:32:43,410 --> 01:32:40,520
Baker itself called the Pleiades by the

2043
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:43,420
by the way seven sister mountains and

2044
01:32:54,310 --> 01:32:50,570
there are some fascinating UFOs very

2045
01:32:56,530 --> 01:32:54,320
amazing you know orbs and lights in the

2046
01:32:58,660 --> 01:32:56,540
sky that we record every time but let me

2047
01:33:01,300 --> 01:32:58,670
fasten a ting tell you real quick one

2048
01:33:05,730 --> 01:33:01,310
story there's a gentleman up there young

2049
01:33:08,500 --> 01:33:05,740
guy who has a very inexpensive cameras

2050
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:08,510
actually a nikon coolpix it's one of

2051
01:33:13,930 --> 01:33:11,570
those pocket camera works you know but

2052
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:13,940
it's a it does a forty nine frames per

2053
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:17,210
second video he puts it on a tripod and

2054
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:19,610
he points it up to the normal daytime

2055
01:33:26,050 --> 01:33:23,570
sky usually on a clear day and he'll

2056
01:33:28,780 --> 01:33:26,060
take short bursts of video maybe only

2057
01:33:31,060 --> 01:33:28,790
two minutes in length and what he'll do

2058
01:33:32,860 --> 01:33:31,070
in the field of view you know make sure

2059
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:32,870
that he has some markers in there I'll

2060
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:34,880
have one mountain on one side of the

2061
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:36,410
frame maybe another mountain on the

2062
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:38,890
other side of the frame so he can verify

2063
01:33:43,330 --> 01:33:41,330
the field of view and how far apart

2064
01:33:45,610 --> 01:33:43,340
these two mountains are those kinds of

2065
01:33:48,610 --> 01:33:45,620
things and what he'll do is then take

2066
01:33:51,070 --> 01:33:48,620
those two minutes of video download it

2067
01:33:55,090 --> 01:33:51,080
to his laptop computer and run

2068
01:33:57,570 --> 01:33:55,100
through frame-by-frame every single

2069
01:34:01,060 --> 01:33:57,580
frame of his video and review them very

2070
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:01,070
very detailed to find out if there's

2071
01:34:07,060 --> 01:34:02,930
anything anomalous and what's going on

2072
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:07,070
all around him he shows this and you can

2073
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:09,290
you can find it on the UFO i-team

2074
01:34:13,690 --> 01:34:11,930
Facebook page because we've got Rob from

2075
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:13,700
Puyallup right up there at the top of

2076
01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:16,880
our Facebook page in his videos for

2077
01:34:21,850 --> 01:34:19,040
instance on the Bock right hand corner

2078
01:34:26,170 --> 01:34:21,860
of a frame he might have some anomalous

2079
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:26,180
object an ovoid shape a craft of some

2080
01:34:32,130 --> 01:34:28,610
kind maybe even at a rectangle coming

2081
01:34:35,620 --> 01:34:32,140
into the frame the next frame over is

2082
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:35,630
maybe seeing the same object but in the

2083
01:34:40,330 --> 01:34:38,210
middle of the frame the third frame over

2084
01:34:44,230 --> 01:34:40,340
this thing is almost gone and out of the

2085
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:44,240
frame so when you do the math at 29

2086
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:46,850
frames per second the fact that this

2087
01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:48,650
thing is going through a field of view

2088
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:51,710
of how long or how distance is between

2089
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:55,010
these two mountains in only three frames

2090
01:35:00,970 --> 01:34:57,010
he believes these things are going about

2091
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:00,980
20,000 miles an hour in the daylight sky

2092
01:35:05,350 --> 01:35:03,170
you can't even see them they're going so

2093
01:35:07,330 --> 01:35:05,360
fast with your naked eye and he's

2094
01:35:10,270 --> 01:35:07,340
catching these things all the time so

2095
01:35:13,500 --> 01:35:10,280
that's just one thing we ran across just

2096
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:13,510
last summer up in Mount Baker Washington

2097
01:35:20,140 --> 01:35:17,570
now Mount Adams we call this the Mount

2098
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:20,150
Adams incident because there was just

2099
01:35:24,730 --> 01:35:21,920
fantastic thing I don't know if you've

2100
01:35:26,440 --> 01:35:24,740
ever been to the e city ranch with James

2101
01:35:27,970 --> 01:35:26,450
gonna ask you about that because that is

2102
01:35:30,610 --> 01:35:27,980
in Washington State that was gonna be my

2103
01:35:33,070 --> 01:35:30,620
next question actually and that is

2104
01:35:35,500 --> 01:35:33,080
exactly where we go we go to James

2105
01:35:38,230 --> 01:35:35,510
Gillan in the East Eddy ranch we pitch

2106
01:35:40,990 --> 01:35:38,240
our tents and we talk around the

2107
01:35:43,090 --> 01:35:41,000
campfire but there is a Sky Watch field

2108
01:35:46,510 --> 01:35:43,100
out there that is just enormous I mean

2109
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:46,520
you're talking probably 50 acres that's

2110
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:50,330
14 miles just south of Mount Adams and

2111
01:35:57,190 --> 01:35:53,530
has amazing view of this beautiful

2112
01:35:59,890 --> 01:35:57,200
snow-covered mountain but there's you

2113
01:36:01,720 --> 01:35:59,900
know trees on either side and it's

2114
01:36:03,790 --> 01:36:01,730
beautiful what they call the Field of

2115
01:36:06,250 --> 01:36:03,800
Dreams Skywatch field

2116
01:36:07,810 --> 01:36:06,260
that we all hang out and one night we're

2117
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:07,820
sitting out there and there was this

2118
01:36:15,850 --> 01:36:12,290
massive light that comes out of the left

2119
01:36:18,340 --> 01:36:15,860
horizon over the tree level and this

2120
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:18,350
thing was so low that we realized it was

2121
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:20,690
below the cloud level that night which

2122
01:36:25,290 --> 01:36:23,210
was calculated to be about 2,000 feet

2123
01:36:28,540 --> 01:36:25,300
because of the weather report

2124
01:36:32,230 --> 01:36:28,550
intermittent cloud level and these

2125
01:36:35,050 --> 01:36:32,240
things were this one major very bright

2126
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:35,060
light is coming over the top of us and I

2127
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:38,690
would say was maybe 75 degrees up not a

2128
01:36:43,870 --> 01:36:41,840
90 degree thing straight up but right in

2129
01:36:46,450 --> 01:36:43,880
front of our faces that we could see it

2130
01:36:48,490 --> 01:36:46,460
grow well as it was coming towards it it

2131
01:36:51,550 --> 01:36:48,500
would actually fire up you've heard of

2132
01:36:53,050 --> 01:36:51,560
these james gilliland videos where the

2133
01:36:55,570 --> 01:36:53,060
thing is actually flare up and they're

2134
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:55,580
actually caught asking these things to

2135
01:37:02,530 --> 01:36:57,410
flare up and they do I mean this thing

2136
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:02,540
probably goes from you know a large you

2137
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:05,090
know reflective light to 20 times that

2138
01:37:10,450 --> 01:37:07,610
size and then it goes back down it goes

2139
01:37:12,580 --> 01:37:10,460
back and flares again and then about

2140
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:12,590
four times this thing did that and then

2141
01:37:17,470 --> 01:37:14,770
when it got it right in front of us

2142
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:17,480
probably at a 75 degree angle but right

2143
01:37:22,750 --> 01:37:19,610
in front of us and then towards the

2144
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:22,760
mountain itself it actually shot this

2145
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:26,210
blue laser beam out of the craft right

2146
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:29,090
into our cameras our stop action

2147
01:37:35,290 --> 01:37:32,000
photography our ultraviolet you know our

2148
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:35,300
night vision and our videos that we have

2149
01:37:42,100 --> 01:37:38,570
all show this thing being totally

2150
01:37:44,230 --> 01:37:42,110
blasted with a blue light now to get a

2151
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:44,240
corroboration of this we've obviously

2152
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:46,610
got on a video but the people that were

2153
01:37:52,990 --> 01:37:49,130
in the sky watch field off to the very

2154
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:53,000
far end of the acreage out there sawed

2155
01:37:58,510 --> 01:37:55,280
it at a side angle and said that they

2156
01:38:00,880 --> 01:37:58,520
actually saw this blue beam of light

2157
01:38:04,270 --> 01:38:00,890
come right out of the crafted head in

2158
01:38:06,780 --> 01:38:04,280
our direction and our video guy our

2159
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:06,790
least routes our intrepid cameraman

2160
01:38:11,710 --> 01:38:09,890
immediately got a migraine headache but

2161
01:38:13,790 --> 01:38:11,720
he was staring right at the monitor at

2162
01:38:16,580 --> 01:38:13,800
the time this thing flashed us though

2163
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:16,590
that was just one weird coincidence that

2164
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:19,440
happened at ecity ranch in it of course

2165
01:38:22,610 --> 01:38:21,600
we've got some other stuff about Bigfoot

2166
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:22,620
activity

2167
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:25,050
we've got anomalous electromagnetic

2168
01:38:32,060 --> 01:38:28,110
effects and we've got some scientific

2169
01:38:34,190 --> 01:38:32,070
evidence of actual missing time at Taco

2170
01:38:36,260 --> 01:38:34,200
lock lake which is on the other side of

2171
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:36,270
the mountain now that we can get into if

2172
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:38,010
we have time if not we yeah yeah we got

2173
01:38:41,690 --> 01:38:39,810
a little bit of time yeah tell me about

2174
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:41,700
that missing time when you say sign it

2175
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:43,290
scientific evidence so what do you mean

2176
01:38:48,410 --> 01:38:45,930
by that okay here's here's a really

2177
01:38:51,890 --> 01:38:48,420
strange story so we're now at the

2178
01:38:53,780 --> 01:38:51,900
opposite side of Mount Adams which is

2179
01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:53,790
the northern side and there's a

2180
01:39:01,700 --> 01:38:56,730
beautiful not a large lake but a very

2181
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:01,710
very nice beautiful lake called

2182
01:39:07,010 --> 01:39:05,010
cock-block Lake it's an Indian spelling

2183
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:07,020
there's h's in there and all sorts of

2184
01:39:13,070 --> 01:39:08,960
stuff but basically at night you see

2185
01:39:15,230 --> 01:39:13,080
Mountain Adams just hugely reflected

2186
01:39:17,480 --> 01:39:15,240
into the lake and all of the night stars

2187
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:17,490
in the lake as well it's just a plastic

2188
01:39:22,940 --> 01:39:21,090
beauty for scene and we did ask I

2189
01:39:25,340 --> 01:39:22,950
watched that night then we went back to

2190
01:39:26,780 --> 01:39:25,350
the campsite and stayed up to about 2:00

2191
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:26,790
in the morning

2192
01:39:32,270 --> 01:39:29,760
some of them did around the campfire but

2193
01:39:35,180 --> 01:39:32,280
I decided to retire early so a friend of

2194
01:39:37,730 --> 01:39:35,190
mine asked me told me I could sleep in

2195
01:39:40,490 --> 01:39:37,740
his pop-up trailer you know camper

2196
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:40,500
trailer hmm because I sleep with a CPAP

2197
01:39:46,090 --> 01:39:42,330
machine you know I've got sleep apnea

2198
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:46,100
and if I don't sleep with a CPAP machine

2199
01:39:52,580 --> 01:39:49,920
you know I'm gonna have a tough day the

2200
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:52,590
next day so I was very relieved to be

2201
01:39:58,490 --> 01:39:55,610
able to have a way to plug this into his

2202
01:40:00,170 --> 01:39:58,500
battery system in his pop-up trailer

2203
01:40:02,750 --> 01:40:00,180
because there's there's no electricity

2204
01:40:06,380 --> 01:40:02,760
out there I'm Rory Gifford Pinchot

2205
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:06,390
National Forest you know and how we're

2206
01:40:09,890 --> 01:40:08,010
all kind of like you know wagon trained

2207
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:09,900
up and we have a beautiful campsite

2208
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:13,530
there but I decided to go to bed around

2209
01:40:19,670 --> 01:40:17,520
1:30 in the morning so I get my CPAP

2210
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:19,680
machine all set up and plug it into the

2211
01:40:25,790 --> 01:40:23,280
battery and jump in bed and just

2212
01:40:27,020 --> 01:40:25,800
basically exhausted fall asleep

2213
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:27,030
immediately

2214
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:29,010
and I'm so grateful to be able to sleep

2215
01:40:35,690 --> 01:40:32,250
with my machine all of a sudden it

2216
01:40:38,330 --> 01:40:35,700
wasn't too long afterwards I thought I

2217
01:40:41,540 --> 01:40:38,340
wake up and the machine stops my CPAP

2218
01:40:43,460 --> 01:40:41,550
machine stops working and I'm looking at

2219
01:40:45,740 --> 01:40:43,470
the machine because when it does stop

2220
01:40:49,340 --> 01:40:45,750
working the pressure of the mask stops

2221
01:40:51,050 --> 01:40:49,350
and you automatically wake up and I look

2222
01:40:54,050 --> 01:40:51,060
at the Machine ago great it's dead

2223
01:40:57,950 --> 01:40:54,060
probably the battery that he set me up

2224
01:41:00,140 --> 01:40:57,960
on my buddy set me up on died already so

2225
01:41:01,790 --> 01:41:00,150
I get ready to go out and go to the

2226
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:01,800
restroom I figure out I'm going to go to

2227
01:41:06,860 --> 01:41:03,930
the bathroom anyway in the middle of the

2228
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:06,870
night you know I'm a 66 year old guy I

2229
01:41:11,780 --> 01:41:10,050
better go well I have a check my wake I

2230
01:41:14,270 --> 01:41:11,790
wake up my buddy he was sleeping in the

2231
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:14,280
treant tent trailer with me and he goes

2232
01:41:18,110 --> 01:41:16,770
oh what happened he's is well it looks

2233
01:41:19,460 --> 01:41:18,120
like the battery died I'm gonna go to

2234
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:19,470
the bathroom use this Oh what time is it

2235
01:41:26,660 --> 01:41:23,010
that's uh looks like 3:30 I look at my

2236
01:41:28,190 --> 01:41:26,670
watch and and so I go out and go the

2237
01:41:29,390 --> 01:41:28,200
recipe says well don't worry one with

2238
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:29,400
that by the time you get back I'll

2239
01:41:33,290 --> 01:41:31,650
switch the battery over and you can

2240
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:33,300
continue sleeping with a seat Batman

2241
01:41:37,580 --> 01:41:35,250
going great so I go out and I just I

2242
01:41:40,340 --> 01:41:37,590
just take maybe more than not more than

2243
01:41:42,260 --> 01:41:40,350
two minutes I mean literally like out

2244
01:41:43,940 --> 01:41:42,270
there zipping in right next to the

2245
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:43,950
trailer doing my thing you know number

2246
01:41:48,020 --> 01:41:45,810
one and it come back and thing and then

2247
01:41:50,780 --> 01:41:48,030
I find my buddy asleep again it's all

2248
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:50,790
ready and forks we might see if that

2249
01:41:56,270 --> 01:41:52,800
machine is working I see my little green

2250
01:41:58,250 --> 01:41:56,280
light on so I just jump into bed while

2251
01:42:00,170 --> 01:41:58,260
I'm getting to bed I wake up my buddy

2252
01:42:02,780 --> 01:42:00,180
inadvertently again he goes home what

2253
01:42:08,090 --> 01:42:02,790
time is it and I look at my watch again

2254
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:08,100
and I say oh it's 4:30 and so I jump

2255
01:42:12,380 --> 01:42:10,530
back in bed and we both go to sleep and

2256
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:12,390
of course in the morning we started

2257
01:42:16,970 --> 01:42:14,610
thinking about that and the campfire

2258
01:42:18,620 --> 01:42:16,980
with our cup so that's easy that's the

2259
01:42:23,420 --> 01:42:18,630
missing timer one hell of a piss there

2260
01:42:25,340 --> 01:42:23,430
Michael exactly I'm thinking well you

2261
01:42:30,110 --> 01:42:25,350
know I do have a little bad prostate but

2262
01:42:31,790 --> 01:42:30,120
you know it's not that bad did you say

2263
01:42:33,710 --> 01:42:31,800
with 3:30 when he woke up and it was

2264
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:33,720
4:30 he got back and I going yeah that's

2265
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:35,730
kind of weird but here's the kicker

2266
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:39,210
Frank you're gonna love this my machine

2267
01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:42,210
CPAP machine is a full-blown computer

2268
01:42:46,610 --> 01:42:45,030
I mean this thing will give sleep report

2269
01:42:50,330 --> 01:42:46,620
like you won't believe it'll tell you

2270
01:42:51,950 --> 01:42:50,340
how long you slept or the type of sleep

2271
01:42:55,580 --> 01:42:51,960
that you got when you got to the rim

2272
01:42:59,870 --> 01:42:55,590
really cool oh yeah it's a full and it

2273
01:43:02,540 --> 01:42:59,880
has an SD card in thing okay so what

2274
01:43:04,580 --> 01:43:02,550
happens was is I decided to check my

2275
01:43:08,060 --> 01:43:04,590
machine because I can do that manually

2276
01:43:09,650 --> 01:43:08,070
anytime I want and figure out you know

2277
01:43:12,020 --> 01:43:09,660
is there anything weird

2278
01:43:16,220 --> 01:43:12,030
wrong with the machine we know it it

2279
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:16,230
kicked off at about 3:30 so and you know

2280
01:43:20,150 --> 01:43:17,730
I didn't get a bed at 1:30 so I'm

2281
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:20,160
[\h__\h] you know at least two hours of

2282
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:23,850
use well that's exactly what the Machine

2283
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:26,730
told me in the printout that was only

2284
01:43:32,690 --> 01:43:29,040
used that machine was only used that

2285
01:43:35,870 --> 01:43:32,700
night for an hour and 50 minutes 1/5 oh

2286
01:43:38,930 --> 01:43:35,880
and here's the deal when I print out a

2287
01:43:41,900 --> 01:43:38,940
whole month worth of string diagrams on

2288
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:41,910
what I use my normal sleep time is 8

2289
01:43:48,500 --> 01:43:44,880
hours 9 hours 7 hours you know that kind

2290
01:43:52,610 --> 01:43:48,510
of it's a graph that it pulls up I ain't

2291
01:43:55,250 --> 01:43:52,620
only got that night for some reason the

2292
01:43:58,400 --> 01:43:55,260
machine was only used for an hour and 50

2293
01:44:03,260 --> 01:43:58,410
minutes so that is some kind of a weird

2294
01:44:05,810 --> 01:44:03,270
Kurama what my friend also experienced

2295
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:05,820
at the same time so that that's just one

2296
01:44:10,430 --> 01:44:07,920
aspect of that whole trip that was just

2297
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:10,440
kind of weird for us sure and are you

2298
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:12,690
been out to sea you said he ranch so you

2299
01:44:17,420 --> 01:44:14,370
know james gilliland

2300
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:17,430
and he's he's an interesting fellow I

2301
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:19,410
don't know a whole lot about him it

2302
01:44:22,490 --> 01:44:20,880
seems like a really nice guy once you

2303
01:44:24,440 --> 01:44:22,500
tell the folks a little bit about him he

2304
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:24,450
runs that place and how did he get his

2305
01:44:29,780 --> 01:44:26,850
hands on it and you know tell us all

2306
01:44:32,930 --> 01:44:29,790
about him James has owned the ecity

2307
01:44:36,260 --> 01:44:32,940
ranch for over 30 years I didn't realize

2308
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:36,270
that he's just a lifer down there local

2309
01:44:42,050 --> 01:44:37,890
guy right there in the little town of

2310
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:42,060
Trout Lake Washington where he said he

2311
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:44,730
ranch is the closest you know to as far

2312
01:44:49,630 --> 01:44:45,770
as the town

2313
01:44:51,970 --> 01:44:49,640
he is the most congenial friendly guy

2314
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:51,980
that you will ever want to meet I would

2315
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:54,170
think that after 30-some years of

2316
01:44:58,800 --> 01:44:56,930
running this thing for a bunch of crazy

2317
01:45:01,930 --> 01:44:58,810
people that want to come out and see you

2318
01:45:03,700 --> 01:45:01,940
you did a little jaded yourself but this

2319
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:03,710
guy is so friendly he's out every night

2320
01:45:08,740 --> 01:45:06,650
you know meeting people I mean literally

2321
01:45:11,470 --> 01:45:08,750
hundreds of people will come out there

2322
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:11,480
on a weekend and camp for the weekend

2323
01:45:15,670 --> 01:45:13,730
and he's very hospitable he has his own

2324
01:45:18,850 --> 01:45:15,680
radio show I know he does that on the

2325
01:45:22,060 --> 01:45:18,860
weekend as well so I would I would

2326
01:45:24,459 --> 01:45:22,070
recommend if there was any one spot that

2327
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:24,469
you would want to go to to try to you

2328
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:25,850
can't guarantee you're gonna see

2329
01:45:30,750 --> 01:45:28,489
everything but if you want to go to one

2330
01:45:36,220 --> 01:45:30,760
spot that pretty much has it all

2331
01:45:40,060 --> 01:45:36,230
UFOs orbs by the way many many pictures

2332
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:40,070
of orbs and Bigfoot activity just a week

2333
01:45:46,270 --> 01:45:42,410
before we were there with UFO i-team

2334
01:45:50,290 --> 01:45:46,280
they had cast a major you have a major

2335
01:45:51,670 --> 01:45:50,300
Bigfoot footprint that was huge and we

2336
01:45:53,709 --> 01:45:51,680
got to see that and got to see the

2337
01:45:56,410 --> 01:45:53,719
footprints around the camp as well so

2338
01:45:58,750 --> 01:45:56,420
who knows what really going on but it is

2339
01:46:02,350 --> 01:45:58,760
a fascinating place and where everybody

2340
01:46:05,530 --> 01:46:02,360
is very friendly there and the food's

2341
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:05,540
fantastic by the way I need to jump in

2342
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:08,530
here I have a question from a very

2343
01:46:15,670 --> 01:46:11,690
wonderful person Tom went more you know

2344
01:46:19,420 --> 01:46:15,680
him Michael and wanted to ask a question

2345
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:19,430
on his behalf he wanted to know if the

2346
01:46:25,390 --> 01:46:23,210
documents within the possession of in

2347
01:46:28,630 --> 01:46:25,400
the possession of current Cameron and

2348
01:46:33,070 --> 01:46:28,640
yourself have anything to do with Navy

2349
01:46:36,910 --> 01:46:33,080
Vice Chiefs David Elmer Jeremiah William

2350
01:46:38,500 --> 01:46:36,920
Arthur Owens Edmond Peter I'm gonna try

2351
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:38,510
really hard not to mess up this name but

2352
01:46:48,580 --> 01:46:43,010
Edmund Edmund Peter G ambassy on e jr.

2353
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:48,590
and then also Carl Sagan Oh research

2354
01:46:55,390 --> 01:46:51,530
yeah he's getting ahead of us now does

2355
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:55,400
he think he is yeah he's even a younger

2356
01:46:58,850 --> 01:46:56,650
guy there you go

2357
01:47:03,080 --> 01:46:58,860
well I think what

2358
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:03,090
those specific names no I'm just gonna

2359
01:47:09,140 --> 01:47:06,090
say no those are not specific in the

2360
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:09,150
document there are many other names that

2361
01:47:15,709 --> 01:47:12,960
are specific in the document and the one

2362
01:47:18,770 --> 01:47:15,719
of them that has already been outed by

2363
01:47:23,899 --> 01:47:18,780
Richard Dolan by the way was Vice

2364
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:23,909
Admiral Thomas Wilson j2 of the Joint

2365
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:27,330
Chiefs of Staff so that is one thing

2366
01:47:33,729 --> 01:47:30,800
that I can verify tonight on the show

2367
01:47:35,959 --> 01:47:33,739
because it's already been mentioned

2368
01:47:37,939 --> 01:47:35,969
actually was mentioned on the Jimmy

2369
01:47:42,020 --> 01:47:37,949
Church show with Richard Dolan on

2370
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:42,030
December 19th just to jump in Carl Sagan

2371
01:47:48,500 --> 01:47:45,840
died in 1996 so if he was involved in a

2372
01:47:59,330 --> 01:47:48,510
conversation in the 2000s that would be

2373
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:59,340
really interesting news yeah Tom

2374
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:01,199
Whitmore has studied the mj-12 documents

2375
01:48:07,370 --> 01:48:04,800
for decades now he's acutely interested

2376
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:07,380
in finding out more about what you have

2377
01:48:14,540 --> 01:48:11,010
been discussing Atlanta tonight I would

2378
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:14,550
be remiss tonight if I didn't ask you

2379
01:48:18,919 --> 01:48:17,040
this question I think it's a very broad

2380
01:48:22,479 --> 01:48:18,929
one but it's appropriate Michael and

2381
01:48:25,879 --> 01:48:22,489
that is regarding the mj-12 documents

2382
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:25,889
grant Carolyn says he has the new ones

2383
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:31,679
so to speak what does it take away that

2384
01:48:37,879 --> 01:48:34,290
we should all consider regarding this in

2385
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:37,889
general yeah well I think tom is gonna

2386
01:48:45,410 --> 01:48:41,250
be very pleased with this document

2387
01:48:47,930 --> 01:48:45,420
basically confirming the existence as

2388
01:48:51,649 --> 01:48:47,940
far as this document is is concerned of

2389
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:51,659
the fact that mj-12 existed the fact

2390
01:48:57,890 --> 01:48:54,080
that it was created shortly thereafter

2391
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:57,900
Roswell New Mexico crashed for a reason

2392
01:49:02,689 --> 01:49:01,199
and I think that is going to be

2393
01:49:05,300 --> 01:49:02,699
something that he is going to take away

2394
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:05,310
from this and probably run with at the

2395
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:08,130
time when this thing is finally you know

2396
01:49:13,780 --> 01:49:11,600
able to be chewed over by

2397
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:13,790
you know himself and the rest of the

2398
01:49:23,710 --> 01:49:16,730
young guns out there okay Frank I do

2399
01:49:26,110 --> 01:49:23,720
have another question just one this

2400
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:26,120
one's interesting because it has to do

2401
01:49:33,130 --> 01:49:30,650
with people and the mind and that is a

2402
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:33,140
quote that is attributed to Einstein

2403
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:35,570
that he did saying that as education is

2404
01:49:41,770 --> 01:49:37,730
not the learning of facts but the

2405
01:49:45,790 --> 01:49:41,780
training of the mind to think Michael I

2406
01:49:48,010 --> 01:49:45,800
have noticed my studying the topic of

2407
01:49:51,370 --> 01:49:48,020
ufology and conspiracy theories for

2408
01:49:55,930 --> 01:49:51,380
decades has seemingly opened up my mind

2409
01:49:58,210 --> 01:49:55,940
to new possibilities regarding any

2410
01:50:02,230 --> 01:49:58,220
manner of things whether it be spiritual

2411
01:50:04,990 --> 01:50:02,240
or technology or science what I was

2412
01:50:06,730 --> 01:50:05,000
gonna ask you is since Einstein said

2413
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:06,740
education is not the learning of facts

2414
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:09,040
but the training of the mind to think

2415
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:12,890
how do you feel about thinking the

2416
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:15,440
process of thinking is that something

2417
01:50:19,660 --> 01:50:17,210
that we're predisposed to do I know

2418
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:19,670
that's a strange way to ask it or is

2419
01:50:27,970 --> 01:50:23,930
that something we're trained to do yeah

2420
01:50:30,810 --> 01:50:27,980
I think we are trained to think in a

2421
01:50:34,630 --> 01:50:30,820
certain direction certain way that

2422
01:50:37,930 --> 01:50:34,640
probably is not very educational

2423
01:50:40,380 --> 01:50:37,940
so the real bottom line is as as I'm

2424
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:40,390
getting older here is to realize that

2425
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:44,570
you know I I don't need to think more or

2426
01:50:50,530 --> 01:50:47,840
think harder I need to relax more and

2427
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:50,540
get more in tune with what what is going

2428
01:50:55,570 --> 01:50:53,690
on as far as my consciousness goes and

2429
01:50:57,790 --> 01:50:55,580
when I do that things like

2430
01:51:02,620 --> 01:50:57,800
synchronicities happen you know the

2431
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:02,630
whole idea of being able to be grateful

2432
01:51:08,890 --> 01:51:05,810
have you know things come to me that I

2433
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:08,900
need you know at a certain time and not

2434
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:11,690
I used to be in my younger years thought

2435
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:14,690
it was in control of my life and knew

2436
01:51:20,770 --> 01:51:17,690
where I was headed and the more as I get

2437
01:51:23,110 --> 01:51:20,780
older here and realized that there's a

2438
01:51:24,850 --> 01:51:23,120
major plan that I seem to be a part of

2439
01:51:26,979 --> 01:51:24,860
and I don't I don't

2440
01:51:31,590 --> 01:51:26,989
need to fight that plan I need to work

2441
01:51:34,419 --> 01:51:31,600
with the plan figure out my best way of

2442
01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:34,429
using the materials and the information

2443
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:36,320
that comes to me because I think we're

2444
01:51:40,479 --> 01:51:37,610
all here for a reason

2445
01:51:43,780 --> 01:51:40,489
I think that's a major you know thing

2446
01:51:47,410 --> 01:51:43,790
that we are trying to learn how to deal

2447
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:47,420
with this experience in this body which

2448
01:51:51,970 --> 01:51:49,760
we are immortal souls just kind of like

2449
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:51,980
having a interesting interlude

2450
01:52:00,700 --> 01:51:56,650
experience for for our own best best

2451
01:52:03,010 --> 01:52:00,710
interest I think there's also a really

2452
01:52:07,149 --> 01:52:03,020
interesting philosophy that has been

2453
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:07,159
brought up over possibly the centuries

2454
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:10,400
and that is do we care what's true does

2455
01:52:15,189 --> 01:52:13,040
it matter it sounds like something that

2456
01:52:17,709 --> 01:52:15,199
somebody might say you know with an

2457
01:52:20,500 --> 01:52:17,719
attitude but actually it's considered a

2458
01:52:24,340 --> 01:52:20,510
sort of philosophy where ignorant is

2459
01:52:27,609 --> 01:52:24,350
bliss it's folly to be wise regarding

2460
01:52:31,149 --> 01:52:27,619
these documents that kind of philosophy

2461
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:31,159
even if they are authentic would it be

2462
01:52:36,669 --> 01:52:34,159
better off for everyone to be ignorant

2463
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:36,679
in this regard or would it be better for

2464
01:52:41,169 --> 01:52:40,130
them to be wise to them well that's a

2465
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:41,179
wonderful question

2466
01:52:47,379 --> 01:52:44,210
it definitely is and it all goes towards

2467
01:52:52,030 --> 01:52:47,389
your your purpose for being here I

2468
01:52:57,010 --> 01:52:52,040
believe we all have I think probably

2469
01:52:58,930 --> 01:52:57,020
multiple opportunities to learn you know

2470
01:53:03,240 --> 01:52:58,940
through multiple lives multiple

2471
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:03,250
experiences there's a reason why we are

2472
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:06,050
you know souls that have this

2473
01:53:12,459 --> 01:53:08,449
interesting experience here on this

2474
01:53:14,379 --> 01:53:12,469
planet and I'm thinking that if you know

2475
01:53:16,209 --> 01:53:14,389
there's probably certain times in our

2476
01:53:18,340 --> 01:53:16,219
experience where we don't learn a whole

2477
01:53:21,820 --> 01:53:18,350
lot maybe we're just going through the

2478
01:53:24,250 --> 01:53:21,830
motions but I think as a general rule of

2479
01:53:26,979 --> 01:53:24,260
thumb collectively I think we're at a

2480
01:53:29,919 --> 01:53:26,989
position now where we are about ready to

2481
01:53:32,979 --> 01:53:29,929
learn a lot more and take the next step

2482
01:53:37,110 --> 01:53:32,989
in raising our consciousness as a

2483
01:53:39,620 --> 01:53:37,120
general you know group of souls and

2484
01:53:43,290 --> 01:53:39,630
that are you know in visioning or

2485
01:53:46,530 --> 01:53:43,300
experiencing this timeframe I'm I'm kind

2486
01:53:48,780 --> 01:53:46,540
of looking forward to learning more in

2487
01:53:52,410 --> 01:53:48,790
my older age here than I ever have

2488
01:53:55,190 --> 01:53:52,420
during my my academic careers and and

2489
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:55,200
younger years because it seems to be

2490
01:54:01,320 --> 01:53:57,520
making a lot more sense now

2491
01:54:05,010 --> 01:54:01,330
I wanted to let all of our listeners

2492
01:54:06,810 --> 01:54:05,020
know where they can find your show if

2493
01:54:08,460 --> 01:54:06,820
you wouldn't mind covering word how did

2494
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:08,470
they find out how to listen to you and

2495
01:54:14,010 --> 01:54:10,960
on what nights you're available to

2496
01:54:15,540 --> 01:54:14,020
listen to and also your UFO I teen you

2497
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:15,550
know as their website folks can go to

2498
01:54:19,860 --> 01:54:17,890
regarding their investigations where you

2499
01:54:22,380 --> 01:54:19,870
are on social media can you share a

2500
01:54:25,050 --> 01:54:22,390
little bit about that Oh short chant

2501
01:54:27,300 --> 01:54:25,060
thank you so much actually you know they

2502
01:54:29,490 --> 01:54:27,310
could always check my Saturday night

2503
01:54:32,870 --> 01:54:29,500
radio show out at night dreams talk

2504
01:54:36,630 --> 01:54:32,880
radio.com I'm the 7:00 to 9:00 p.m.

2505
01:54:39,090 --> 01:54:36,640
Pacific Standard Time Saturday guy and I

2506
01:54:41,970 --> 01:54:39,100
it's called the paranormal lawyer radio

2507
01:54:43,140 --> 01:54:41,980
show which is kind of fun you know we

2508
01:54:46,170 --> 01:54:43,150
get to get all sorts of interesting

2509
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:46,180
guests but we pretty much get into UFOs

2510
01:54:51,660 --> 01:54:48,610
and cryptids and in all sorts of

2511
01:54:53,900 --> 01:54:51,670
paranormal activity but the UFO i-team

2512
01:54:56,850 --> 01:54:53,910
they can find us real easy on Facebook

2513
01:54:58,680 --> 01:54:56,860
they go to UFO I team with a lower case

2514
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:58,690
a high end yeah well they can join us at

2515
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:01,360
our weekly meetings just by wherever

2516
01:55:05,580 --> 01:55:02,530
they are around the world and they can

2517
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:05,590
always find us at UFO I team comm on the

2518
01:55:08,430 --> 01:55:06,130
Internet

2519
01:55:10,140 --> 01:55:08,440
is when what can they find that Denny's

2520
01:55:11,490 --> 01:55:10,150
that you guys hang out in is it you want

2521
01:55:13,500 --> 01:55:11,500
to give that address out in case

2522
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:13,510
somebody's local to you oh heck yeah

2523
01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:15,970
yeah matter of fact it's it's the

2524
01:55:25,140 --> 01:55:20,050
Denny's in Lynwood that's ly n n wo OD

2525
01:55:27,420 --> 01:55:25,150
Lynnwood Washington on 196 and it's the

2526
01:55:30,690 --> 01:55:27,430
only one around there and open 24 hours

2527
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:30,700
a day that's it the great place and I

2528
01:55:34,890 --> 01:55:32,560
tell you what the the spicy chicken

2529
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:34,900
skillet is to die for

2530
01:55:40,020 --> 01:55:38,050
man sounds good to me regarding the

2531
01:55:41,970 --> 01:55:40,030
conscious life Expo as we wrap this up

2532
01:55:45,540 --> 01:55:41,980
here in LA

2533
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:45,550
February 22nd through the 25th 2019 can

2534
01:55:50,300 --> 01:55:49,090
you touch on that oh I tell you what it

2535
01:55:54,140 --> 01:55:50,310
was great

2536
01:55:56,300 --> 01:55:54,150
cameron was like a buzz the buzz let's

2537
01:55:59,720 --> 01:55:56,310
put it that way down there you know

2538
01:56:04,610 --> 01:55:59,730
Linda Moulton Howe Eric Vaughn Donegan

2539
01:56:06,500 --> 01:56:04,620
Jimmy Church George Noory everybody was

2540
01:56:09,590 --> 01:56:06,510
there it was just an awesome things to

2541
01:56:12,170 --> 01:56:09,600
even Bassett and they were all coming up

2542
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:12,180
to grant during the tenth week we were I

2543
01:56:15,620 --> 01:56:14,010
was lucky enough fill a room with grant

2544
01:56:17,210 --> 01:56:15,630
during the whole conference there and

2545
01:56:19,490 --> 01:56:17,220
they're always gonna grant what do you

2546
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:19,500
got you know come on my show come on

2547
01:56:26,720 --> 01:56:23,130
let's break it now you know and it was

2548
01:56:30,650 --> 01:56:26,730
just really fun to be able to see Grant

2549
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:30,660
be able to heal the questions and put

2550
01:56:35,780 --> 01:56:32,730
people's mind at rest that indeed the

2551
01:56:38,570 --> 01:56:35,790
thing is coming out and he he is going

2552
01:56:42,230 --> 01:56:38,580
to release it to the public so it was a

2553
01:56:44,750 --> 01:56:42,240
fascinating conference my goodness all

2554
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:44,760
sorts of interesting and and one of the

2555
01:56:50,660 --> 01:56:48,000
more interesting workshops that I went

2556
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:50,670
to was a gentleman by the name of Darrel

2557
01:56:59,780 --> 01:56:55,770
Anka who channels the entity Bashar Vash

2558
01:57:03,530 --> 01:56:59,790
AR and grant is going to work with

2559
01:57:06,500 --> 01:57:03,540
Bashar in doing an interesting contact

2560
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:06,510
modality scientific experiment to figure

2561
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:10,800
out that during his trance State this is

2562
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:14,130
DNA change that is an experiment that

2563
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:16,050
we're going to work on the grant is

2564
01:57:22,370 --> 01:57:19,490
going to do to determine whether a

2565
01:57:25,790 --> 01:57:22,380
person who is in a trance state can

2566
01:57:28,460 --> 01:57:25,800
actually have changed DNA compared to

2567
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:28,470
their normal DNA and that was quite a

2568
01:57:33,650 --> 01:57:30,810
fascinating conversation that I heard

2569
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:33,660
grant have with him that's fascinating

2570
01:57:37,430 --> 01:57:35,850
you know what we're just so thrilled

2571
01:57:40,250 --> 01:57:37,440
that you came on the show with us

2572
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:40,260
tonight Michael oh my pleasure

2573
01:57:47,210 --> 01:57:42,810
you guys are the greatest like I said

2574
01:57:49,130 --> 01:57:47,220
the Bonnie and Clyde I appreciate it

2575
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:49,140
Michael really do real quick before we

2576
01:57:53,330 --> 01:57:51,360
go when grant Cameron I was on the show

2577
01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:53,340
and grant Cameron turned to me and said

2578
01:57:58,100 --> 01:57:55,290
he would put a gold star in my file and

2579
01:57:59,840 --> 01:57:58,110
he called me a young gun and then now

2580
01:58:02,210 --> 01:57:59,850
you're calling us Bonnie and Clyde I

2581
01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:02,220
will never get away from those firms not

2582
01:58:07,100 --> 01:58:04,170
that I want to I'm just saying those two

2583
01:58:09,500 --> 01:58:07,110
they're gonna stick now yeah well they

2584
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:09,510
should you guys deserve it all the work

2585
01:58:13,430 --> 01:58:11,730
that you've done and the truth that

2586
01:58:15,350 --> 01:58:13,440
you're you're digging up it's wonderful

2587
01:58:17,900 --> 01:58:15,360
thanks a lot Michael I appreciate it

2588
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:17,910
thank you for everything you do you're

2589
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:20,490
walking wonderful thanks thanks so much

2590
01:58:24,980 --> 01:58:22,530
in order that chicken for me next time

2591
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:24,990
you get to that Denny's you got it ha ha

2592
01:58:27,980 --> 01:58:25,890
ha ok

2593
01:58:29,660 --> 01:58:27,990
well thanks a lot everybody a chant

2594
01:58:31,100 --> 01:58:29,670
we're coming right back tomorrow we've

2595
01:58:33,980 --> 01:58:31,110
got that Michael masters with us

2596
01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:33,990
tomorrow early afternoon East Coast time

2597
01:58:38,870 --> 01:58:37,170
is that about right yes we do it's and

2598
01:58:40,610 --> 01:58:38,880
just to say in a different way it's

2599
01:58:43,070 --> 01:58:40,620
10:00 a.m. out Standard Time and we're

2600
01:58:45,500 --> 01:58:43,080
going to be talking about a fascinating

2601
01:58:49,010 --> 01:58:45,510
topic I don't think I've heard talked

2602
01:58:53,690 --> 01:58:49,020
about on any show and that is the topic

2603
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:53,700
of hunters and extraterrestrials should

2604
01:58:57,890 --> 01:58:55,770
they consider shooting an ET or not I

2605
01:58:59,900 --> 01:58:57,900
know that sounds odd but you would be

2606
01:59:03,170 --> 01:58:59,910
surprised at what the hunters have to

2607
01:59:06,050 --> 01:59:03,180
say that I have interviewed and Michael

2608
01:59:08,450 --> 01:59:06,060
masters is a professor of anthropology

2609
01:59:10,820 --> 01:59:08,460
as well he's he was on the show last

2610
01:59:14,180 --> 01:59:10,830
year was nice enough to come on and now

2611
01:59:16,100 --> 01:59:14,190
he is back with us tomorrow and it's

2612
01:59:19,100 --> 01:59:16,110
gonna be a lot of fun that he is

2613
01:59:20,900 --> 01:59:19,110
teaching at where is he teaching at

2614
01:59:22,900 --> 01:59:20,910
these days well I can't find it on his

2615
01:59:25,310 --> 01:59:22,910
Facebook page but I've got all that

2616
01:59:26,810 --> 01:59:25,320
somewhere and Michael is gonna be on

2617
01:59:28,430 --> 01:59:26,820
with us it was a great guest last year

2618
01:59:29,270 --> 01:59:28,440
and we've got new stuff to talk about so

2619
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:29,280
it's gonna be great

2620
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:31,530
Michael W Hall thanks again for joining

2621
01:59:34,850 --> 01:59:34,320
us and we are out of here enjoy the rest